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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 4th, 2011, 09:49 AM »*I* was never involved with DP at *any* point. I was in the best position to do this. I just expected the DP team to behave as adults, not as kids who come in, insult everyone and then delete their posts to leave no trace. W00t, way to go for a "professional" project...
Cheers and Good Luck with Wedge :)
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 3rd, 2011, 09:46 AM »
Sorry, so it's not to do with anything on Facts? I am totally lost now.
BTW, not trying to be negative here. Just trying to point out some facts as it seems that the facts get twisted around by people's perspectives and opinions.
Cheers :)
BTW, not trying to be negative here. Just trying to point out some facts as it seems that the facts get twisted around by people's perspectives and opinions.
Cheers :)
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 3rd, 2011, 09:43 AM »This had been gone too far and it isn't likely to stop any time soon. No matter what we do, it seem that we cannot reason with each other no matter how hard we tried, this argument will never end, SoLoGHoST.
It ends now, because I'm tired of hearing this crap all over again just over a portal.
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 3rd, 2011, 09:37 AM »
Actually believe it or not, it all began with the members here. Arantor, Bloc, and Nao all had something negative to say about Dream Portal. Specifically, it all began with this post by Nao: http://wedge.org/pub/off/6562/flames-dream-portal/msg257071/#msg257071 If you are going to say these things and open up the topic to such a "downward spiral" as you put it live627, than you shouldn't be surprised if others engage in it.
The only "downward spiral" I see here is the trash that is being talked about on Dream Portal in various posts within this topic. Feel free to end it anyone? I don't think you can end something on a positive note when other people keep bringing it up in such a negative way! If this is allowed, again, you are opening up the discussion for debate. I did not do this. This happened when you guys started talking nonsense on Dream Portal, not to mention what were you ever accused of breaking live627??
The only "downward spiral" I see here is the trash that is being talked about on Dream Portal in various posts within this topic. Feel free to end it anyone? I don't think you can end something on a positive note when other people keep bringing it up in such a negative way! If this is allowed, again, you are opening up the discussion for debate. I did not do this. This happened when you guys started talking nonsense on Dream Portal, not to mention what were you ever accused of breaking live627??
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 3rd, 2011, 08:34 AM »'confrontation' implies that there was a disagreement
1. The act of confronting or the state of being confronted, especially a meeting face to face.
If I tell you something and tell you that I'm glad to have taught you because I thought you knew it already, that IS an insult, however you spin it.
If I document them, they'll lose all their magic.
Dude the problem I have with you all now is that you seem to talk more and more trash about Dream Portal... and like Nao has cares about Wedge and SMF making rules, I have cares about Dream Portal's image and the fact that you guys are trying to ruin it. The fact that you here at Wedge go out of your way to try and ruin Dream Portal's image. The fact that you all jump to the idea of making it a priority to discuss your opinion on Dream Portal's lack of a properly managed team and the source of it is being with the staff (me and ccbtimewiz).
Some of my responsibilities ARE coding
there's documentation right there! Do it as you go along.
Dream Portal is just a portal bro. We do what we can. Take it or leave it! But don't put us down for it!
....He came in, insulted us and then deleted his posts without saying g'bye.
EoM
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 2nd, 2011, 06:31 AM »What Nao is saying is that he thinks with development being carried out by someone who seemingly misses the point of what a portal does, it's not going to go very far.
You guys are well respected within the SMF community and without. BUT, seriously... Missing the point of what a portal does? I'm sure you guys have a ton of experience and knowledge, do me a FAVOR and KEEP IT!
Whether someone is at the site for a brief time or for the long haul, does not mean that his comments and/or opinions are unimportant! A bunch of hypocrits you are! I'm glad for you with Wedge, but I don't think that putting other FREE PROJECTS and their Team down is very friendly at all! Ofcourse, I don't feel that this is even a human thing to do. You guys trout around like you are doing the world a HUGE FAVOR! Good for you, but there are others trying to help out in other ways also, do me a favor and leave it alone!
@ccbtimewiz - I'd appreciate it if you would stop trotting around other sites trying to play a good guy, bad guy role and be more active at the actual Dream Portal site instead.
There was a few points within this topic that were actually wrong... or atleast, I've never been confronted with this...
To expand on what Nao said, I've also been wrongly accused of destroying property...
Arantor made a few mistakes in what his perception of everything was and how it happened within his story, Reply #50
that descended into personal insults (mostly from him)
When Arantor confronted live627, I suppose he felt it would be better for live627 to confront us with the idea and let us know of his intentions of using Dream Portal's code in the SMF Fork. And in that topic live627 stated that they were planning on using our code without using our Dream Branding.
Here is most of the discussion, pay attention to who is saying what...
The idea is to use DP's code to add a portal to the fork.
The changes in the fork are numerous and varied, so the adaptation would be, properly speaking, a fork.
By "the fork" I mean the SMF fork that Nao and Arantor are working on.
I technically don't need to bring it here for discussion since we use a BSD license and a fork of this software could commence anyway.
Some of the "Dream" branding will probably be removed.
Forking Dream Portal is not permissible without permission (or retaining copyright).
If you mean having a working DP for a forked SMF... then sure, I don't mind it.
They will not use any of Dream Portal's code.
The difference between that statement and the license is comparable to black and white.Quote from hadesflames They will not use any of Dream Portal's code.
Judging by these answers, why oh why did you choose BSD?
Well, if they want to use DP's code, I don't understand why they would remove the Dream branding? I believe that is a breach of the BSD License as far as I understand it.
Again, I have nothing against them using DP's code for their SMF fork. But perhaps it would be a wiser call for them to either create their own Portal, or have some of us from Dream Portal help them with their Core Portal.
In any case, I also remember that code that you contributed to Dream Portal and the project belongs to you and you alone and can be reused in any other projects by you.
- Solomon
FFS
They will not use DPs code, and even if they do, they will leave the copyright intact. End of discussion, topic locked.
EDIT:
It's pointless to discuss whether or not people use our code. If they do, either they put our copyright, or they don't. Discussing it is not going to change that. It also hasn't even happened yet, so even more so pointless. But more importantly, I'm sure we all know that we're not ACTUALLY going to enforce the copyright farther than asking people to place it back, which makes this discussion even more so pointless.
It's a Modified-BSD license that prevents any and all forking without written consent from me.
And I emphasized me for a reason, since I am registering Dream Portal in my local court.
I don't have enough time in a day to waste hunting down these topics and trying to prove my innocence for doing a FREE PROJECT. If you have 12 hours a day to spend if you don't have a JOB, or any responsibilities in life to document everything you code for FREE, than GOOD FOR YOU! Do not criticize, belittle, or mock others who don't do this, because of the lack of time and the LACK of people willing to actually help either!!
Friends are important in this world. Glad you are willing to stick by them Nao, even when they are wrong! It's a rare trait to see these days. Good for you both!