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Messages - SoLoGHoST
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 4th, 2011, 09:49 AM »
Quote from Nao
*I* was never involved with DP at *any* point. I was in the best position to do this. I just expected the DP team to behave as adults, not as kids who come in, insult everyone and then delete their posts to leave no trace. W00t, way to go for a "professional" project...
Seriously?  And you guys are exempt from this?  The insults did not start here with me.  I'm not interested in insulting anyone!  I don't speak for everyone, because everyone is there own individual person.

Cheers and Good Luck with Wedge :)
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 3rd, 2011, 09:46 AM »
Sorry, so it's not to do with anything on Facts?  I am totally lost now.

BTW, not trying to be negative here.  Just trying to point out some facts as it seems that the facts get twisted around by people's perspectives and opinions.

Cheers :)
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 3rd, 2011, 09:43 AM »
Quote from Dismal Shadow on April 3rd, 2011, 09:41 AM
This had been gone too far and it isn't likely to stop any time soon. No matter what we do, it seem that we cannot reason with each other no matter how hard we tried, this argument will never end, SoLoGHoST.

It ends now, because I'm tired of hearing this crap all over again just over a portal.
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 3rd, 2011, 09:37 AM »
Actually believe it or not, it all began with the members here.  Arantor, Bloc, and Nao all had something negative to say about Dream Portal.  Specifically, it all began with this post by Nao:  http://wedge.org/pub/off/6562/flames-dream-portal/msg257071/#msg257071 If you are going to say these things and open up the topic to such a "downward spiral" as you put it live627, than you shouldn't be surprised if others engage in it.

The only "downward spiral" I see here is the trash that is being talked about on Dream Portal in various posts within this topic.  Feel free to end it anyone?  I don't think you can end something on a positive note when other people keep bringing it up in such a negative way!  If this is allowed, again, you are opening up the discussion for debate.  I did not do this.  This happened when you guys started talking nonsense on Dream Portal, not to mention what were you ever accused of breaking live627??
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 3rd, 2011, 08:34 AM »
Quote from Arantor
'confrontation' implies that there was a disagreement
Ok, I meant it more in the sense of the first definition here:  http://www.thefreedictionary.com/confrontation
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1. The act of confronting or the state of being confronted, especially a meeting face to face.
You confronted live with what you were planning on doing.  In other words, you had a meeting with him.
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If I tell you something and tell you that I'm glad to have taught you because I thought you knew it already, that IS an insult, however you spin it.
Actually I was surprised that it seemed that you didn't know that it was possible to use empty() in the same sense as in_array().  And I was honestly glad to have taught you something.  I didn't spin it!  I was actually being truthful on that post.
Quote from Nao
If I document them, they'll lose all their magic.
This was not the case for Dream Portal.  I'm a firm believer in documentation, as it only helps.  I had TONS of comments within my code.  All of my coding was heavily commented at almost every OTHER line!  Within MANY of the functions that I coded!  I documented my Module Parameters, and everything else that I was creating within topics on Dream Portal.  You guys expect to much IMO.  Blame the person creating the code because you can't understand it (despite the millions of comments explaining it), and also despite the topics that I had created concerning this.  Furthermore, willing to help anyone understand it at my most valuable time of having difficulty in my life also.  You guys are simply just ranting now!  I try everything to help out, help you understand Dream Portal and it's code, but you guys are just reaching for EXCUSES to try to put the portal down and the team.

Dude the problem I have with you all now is that you seem to talk more and more trash about Dream Portal... and like Nao has cares about Wedge and SMF making rules, I have cares about Dream Portal's image and the fact that you guys are trying to ruin it.  The fact that you here at Wedge go out of your way to try and ruin Dream Portal's image.  The fact that you all jump to the idea of making it a priority to discuss your opinion on Dream Portal's lack of a properly managed team and the source of it is being with the staff (me and ccbtimewiz).
Quote from Arantor
Some of my responsibilities ARE coding
That is fine if you want to look at it as a responsibility.  I prefer to look at it more as a HOBBY and a source of FUN!  If you want to be responsible, please stop bashing Dream Portal and/or it's team.
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there's documentation right there! Do it as you go along.
Why do you continue to dictate to us on what to do?  This is what I was doing within the code bro.  A lot of almost all code was documented.  When you were on the team as Dev.  much of this was in experimental stages.  That is, the functions where not really complete and we were experimenting with a few ideas and concepts of how to exactly code the Dream Portal layout and it's database.  Ofcourse, I began to implement an idea on this just before you joined the Dev. Team, documented this idea, pointed you to posts of the idea (which I also PM'd you on SMF) and than made myself available to anything you might actually have to say about it.  But when I came back onto the team, I had a better vision of it, after taking a break, and recoded the layouts scheme in a much cleaner approach, along with the database.  Ofcourse, nothing is ever 100% perfect!

Dream Portal is just a portal bro.  We do what we can.  Take it or leave it!  But don't put us down for it!
Quote from Nao
....He came in, insulted us and then deleted his posts without saying g'bye.
Are you serious?  Insulted you... poor guys.  I think if I had a penny for all of the insults I received from various people maybe I would be a millionaire.  Sticks and stones....

EoM
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 2nd, 2011, 06:31 AM »
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What Nao is saying is that he thinks with development being carried out by someone who seemingly misses the point of what a portal does, it's not going to go very far.
Wow, what a blow.  I suppose you guys are going around talking a ton of bad nonsense on me?  I'm happy for you, but honestly, I don't expect any less.  I'd rather not sink too low, because I don't think that talking about other people in a sense of belittling them, mocking them, or anything else for doing a FREE PROJECT, is any way to spend your free time!

You guys are well respected within the SMF community and without.  BUT, seriously... Missing the point of what a portal does?  I'm sure you guys have a ton of experience and knowledge, do me a FAVOR and KEEP IT!

Whether someone is at the site for a brief time or for the long haul, does not mean that his comments and/or opinions are unimportant!  A bunch of hypocrits you are!  I'm glad for you with Wedge, but I don't think that putting other FREE PROJECTS and their Team down is very friendly at all!  Ofcourse, I don't feel that this is even a human thing to do.  You guys trout around like you are doing the world a HUGE FAVOR!  Good for you, but there are others trying to help out in other ways also, do me a favor and leave it alone!

@ccbtimewiz - I'd appreciate it if you would stop trotting around other sites trying to play a good guy, bad guy role and be more active at the actual Dream Portal site instead.

There was a few points within this topic that were actually wrong... or atleast, I've never been confronted with this...
Quote from live627
To expand on what Nao said, I've also been wrongly accused of destroying property...
What the #$%# are you talking about??

Arantor made a few mistakes in what his perception of everything was and how it happened within his story, Reply #50
Quote from Arantor
that descended into personal insults (mostly from him)
Did not insult you in that topic.  I believe it started out with you insulting me bro.  Please let me know if you want me to spend the 2 hours of hunting down the topic and repeating POST BY POST so that I can actually prove this to you, if it makes you feel any better, k?  Telling me that I don't know the difference between in_array and empty.  That in_array is no where near empty and it can't be used and you provided an example.  And so you took what I said next offensively, which wasn't meant that way bro.  When I said that I was glad to have taught you something, I didn't mean it offensively!  Taken completely out of context.  Ofcourse, I'm not surprised by a person who thinks negatively either.

When Arantor confronted live627, I suppose he felt it would be better for live627 to confront us with the idea and let us know of his intentions of using Dream Portal's code in the SMF Fork.  And in that topic live627 stated that they were planning on using our code without using our Dream Branding.

Here is most of the discussion, pay attention to who is saying what...
Quote from live627
The idea is to use DP's code to add a portal to the fork.

The changes in the fork are numerous and varied, so the adaptation would be, properly speaking, a fork.

By "the fork" I mean the SMF fork that Nao and Arantor are working on.

I technically don't need to bring it here for discussion since we use a BSD license and a fork of this software could commence anyway.
Quote from live627
Some of the "Dream" branding will probably be removed.
Quote from ccbtimewiz
Forking Dream Portal is not permissible without permission (or retaining copyright).

If you mean having a working DP for a forked SMF... then sure, I don't mind it.
Quote from hadesflames
They will not use any of Dream Portal's code.
Quote from live627
Quote from hadesflames
They will not use any of Dream Portal's code.
The difference between that statement and the license is comparable to black and white.

Judging by these answers, why oh why did you choose BSD?
Quote from SoLoGHoST
Well, if they want to use DP's code, I don't understand why they would remove the Dream branding?  I believe that is a breach of the BSD License as far as I understand it.

Again, I have nothing against them using DP's code for their SMF fork.  But perhaps it would be a wiser call for them to either create their own Portal, or have some of us from Dream Portal help them with their Core Portal.

In any case, I also remember that code that you contributed to Dream Portal and the project belongs to you and you alone and can be reused in any other projects by you.

- Solomon
KEYWORD HERE IS:  BELIEVE and the CATCH PHRASE HERE:  as far as I understand it.
Quote from hadesflames
FFS

They will not use DPs code, and even if they do, they will leave the copyright intact. End of discussion, topic locked.

EDIT:

It's pointless to discuss whether or not people use our code. If they do, either they put our copyright, or they don't. Discussing it is not going to change that. It also hasn't even happened yet, so even more so pointless. But more importantly, I'm sure we all know that we're not ACTUALLY going to enforce the copyright farther than asking people to place it back, which makes this discussion even more so pointless.
Quote from ccbtimewiz
It's a Modified-BSD license that prevents any and all forking without written consent from me.

And I emphasized me for a reason, since I am registering Dream Portal in my local court.
Topic was locked by hadesflames who was outraged by this and is NO LONGER on the DP TEAM!

I don't have enough time in a day to waste hunting down these topics and trying to prove my innocence for doing a FREE PROJECT.  If you have 12 hours a day to spend if you don't have a JOB, or any responsibilities in life to document everything you code for FREE, than GOOD FOR YOU!  Do not criticize, belittle, or mock others who don't do this, because of the lack of time and the LACK of people willing to actually help either!!

Friends are important in this world.  Glad you are willing to stick by them Nao, even when they are wrong!  It's a rare trait to see these days.  Good for you both!