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The Pub / Re: Wap2, imode?
« on April 5th, 2011, 06:42 PM »
I may write one up for Wedge, but when it has matured a bit more(Actually when Nao/Arantor aren't radically changing it every week).
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Off-topic / Re: Paul - (Arantor) I want to buy you a drink, Thanks for the Help!
« on April 5th, 2011, 07:27 AM »
Wait, Paul ain't Arantor nor Nao lol....
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Plugins / Re: Plugin hooks
« on April 1st, 2011, 09:12 PM »
Ah okay, I can't make things explode now. Good :D
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Plugins / Re: Plugin hooks
« on April 1st, 2011, 08:45 PM »And Dragooon -- you know the drill I suspect? No sharing what you get with anyone (not even your dad). If you have any doubts, ask us in private!
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Plugins / Re: Plugin hooks
« on April 1st, 2011, 08:27 PM »@Dragooon> Why would it piss me off?
You're an excellent coder, I had a thrilling experience with you on SMF Media Gallery, I like you, and although you're occasionally upsetting -- who am *I* to speak? :lo:
But if you think it is fine then go ahead, I wouldn't mind access. I won't guarantee any participation though :).
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Plugins / Re: Plugin hooks
« on April 1st, 2011, 08:10 PM »@Dragooon> But you never actually asked for Consultant status...?
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 1st, 2011, 07:06 PM »i do have a question, can simple portal be used with wedge, i use it quite extesively on myfewclicks.com and will have to have something similar in order to port over.
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Plugins / Re: Plugin hooks
« on April 1st, 2011, 05:08 PM »
I can't do a damn regardless until I get to see the code, so I guess we'll wait till you release something. Till then, I'm waiting patiently :).
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Plugins / Re: Plugin hooks
« on April 1st, 2011, 04:37 PM »
The thing with the potential wedge template model you're talking about is that some work will also be needed on source sides of file as well, it won't be pure PHP. Not big of an advantage, I know.
XML(Or TOX for that matter) isn't more difficult to understand for programmers, it makes sense if you read it, seriously, give it a shot(10 minutes max), I'll give you some sample templates from my project if you want.Quote XML is a far more wide adaptation than PHP, more than that, it is easier to understand than PHP's syntax.Quote Unknown's syntax is based on XML, but it is not strict XML per se. TOX-G uses a custom parser and not any standard parser(It doesn't even need the most basic XML plugins for PHP). Hence the reason I could implement <we:if "expression">, < tpl:something > will not break things since it'll be treated like a string, <tpl:something> will since tpl is a reserved namespace and it is unclosed, but it'll give a nice error message! And yeah, TOX-G can self-close tags :P.
XML(Or TOX for that matter) isn't more difficult to understand for programmers, it makes sense if you read it, seriously, give it a shot(10 minutes max), I'll give you some sample templates from my project if you want.
If they don't know PHP at all, is there a reason for them to know about XML..?
And as far as I can remember, broken XML (even slightly broken!) means broken *everything*? Unless Unknown wrote a custom parser that accepts any errors in the XML output... And/or the actual XML is treated as HTML, in which case everywhere you put some actual XML for ToxG's use, it will still fail horribly... (Let's say you type < tmp:something >, will it be parsed correctly? I know I'm quite torn myself whether or not I should add support for loose whitespace in my styling blocks...)
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FAQs / [FAQ] Re: Will Aeva Media be part of Wedge?
« on April 1st, 2011, 02:40 PM »
Damn that's one fine FAQ.
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Off-topic / Re: iHate Apple
« on April 1st, 2011, 02:36 PM »
Honestly what other platforms lacks is the exorbitant App store that simply eats everything else for breakfast, Android's App's interface is never consistent and TBH most of them are outright ugly(I own one Android phone!). I haven't tried the likes of Motorola Xoom but I'd never get one until the android app store improves. Although the ability to customize one's phone and flashing/re-flashing is my favourite feature with android devices :P
That and I'm being a little biased due to me getting a flashy new iPad :P.
PS : Does refreshing tracking page after every 2 minutes make the thing arrive sooner?
That and I'm being a little biased due to me getting a flashy new iPad :P.
PS : Does refreshing tracking page after every 2 minutes make the thing arrive sooner?
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Plugins / Re: Plugin hooks
« on April 1st, 2011, 02:32 PM »
Wait, I did reply about TOX-G's exact abilities, what are you trying to ask? How it works or what advantages it has over PHP?
As far as TOX-G's functioning go :
1) Every template is defined in a XML like manner, you know the syntax. It is easier to follow then pure PHP and has some very nice little features and is actually quite easy to extend and adapt, one just needs to give a sitting with its code for a few hours and one can develop it further
2) Every template can be altered to add an overlay before or after it, I believe every template can also be replaced but I haven't experimented with this.
3) The template's files themselves are in a XML-esque manner which make sense for someone who don't know PHP but wants to do designing.
4) TOX-G parses the templates and caches them as PHP, so speed isn't really that much of a problem
All in all, yes it is possible to do the hook system by dividing the whole thing into very small templates and essentially this is what TOX-G does(But it is easier to do so).Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 1st, 2011, 01:06 PM Its your choice, if you want you can move this to private boards.
As far as TOX-G's functioning go :
1) Every template is defined in a XML like manner, you know the syntax. It is easier to follow then pure PHP and has some very nice little features and is actually quite easy to extend and adapt, one just needs to give a sitting with its code for a few hours and one can develop it further
2) Every template can be altered to add an overlay before or after it, I believe every template can also be replaced but I haven't experimented with this.
3) The template's files themselves are in a XML-esque manner which make sense for someone who don't know PHP but wants to do designing.
4) TOX-G parses the templates and caches them as PHP, so speed isn't really that much of a problem
All in all, yes it is possible to do the hook system by dividing the whole thing into very small templates and essentially this is what TOX-G does(But it is easier to do so).
Anything you want, really. We could discuss it in private if you'd like, or just keep doing it here. (Funny, this is technically the first development thread we're having in a public place...)
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Plugins / Re: Plugin hooks
« on April 1st, 2011, 12:59 PM »
Will you add a template hook at every place possible? Posts user info, post options, below one's sig, above post's title, above topic's title, below post's listing, below and above quick reply, quick reply itself, how about editing an existing template itself? Hooks are a lot more sensible on workflow itself, hence they work fine at controller and model stages but not at the view part.
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Plugins / Re: Plugin hooks
« on March 31st, 2011, 07:23 PM »I like my car to go from spot 1 to 2 without breaking down and being reasonably fast. I don't care if it can actually fly because theres no allowed areospace for it to fly in anyway...
TOXG was made by Unknown to solve a specific problem. If said problem doesn't exist anymore(or will not exist)...why have that car with wings that you can't use? It would actually require more resources(=fuel) because of the added "feature".
Just saying. :)Posted: March 31st, 2011, 06:40 PM
oh, and talking of doing stuff in tempaltes which isn't possible otherwise..there just isn't many(=none) around that actually utilize the power of said PHP we have now - in SMF - so I won't hold my breath that TOXG will be any different in that respect.