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Archived fixes / Re: No URL specified in Feed
« on August 22nd, 2013, 08:13 PM »
I'm assuming this is fixed now?
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Features / Re: Getting rid of zebra classes
« on August 22nd, 2013, 06:10 PM »
I could make the argument either way actually. Having zebra striping per post would certainly add the sensation that they are different posts. On the other hand it would clearly indicate they are one post.
For styling the overall post rather than the individuals, you could always tie it to .postarea rather than .root since .postarea contains all of the posts from a single merge.
For styling the overall post rather than the individuals, you could always tie it to .postarea rather than .root since .postarea contains all of the posts from a single merge.
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Off-topic / Re: Is Wordpress actually Most SEO CMS?
« on August 22nd, 2013, 04:40 PM »
Um, I have no idea what point you're trying to make but I think you're wrong with some of the things you're hinting at.
Airtel?
WP doesn't minimise queries at all. It has 20 queries for the front page in a fresh install. Ain't nothing efficient about that.
If you have slow loading issues or page failed errors due to MySQL failing, two things happen. Firstly, Google downranks you because of slowness. Secondly, if the page just fails rather than having content, Google downranks you because the URL doesn't work or doesn't have content. Both circumstances mean you get downranked.
And you're still missing every single point I made about WP above.
Airtel?
WP doesn't minimise queries at all. It has 20 queries for the front page in a fresh install. Ain't nothing efficient about that.
If you have slow loading issues or page failed errors due to MySQL failing, two things happen. Firstly, Google downranks you because of slowness. Secondly, if the page just fails rather than having content, Google downranks you because the URL doesn't work or doesn't have content. Both circumstances mean you get downranked.
And you're still missing every single point I made about WP above.
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Off-topic / Re: Is Wordpress actually Most SEO CMS?
« on August 22nd, 2013, 04:05 PM »
One: the theme. WP themes tend to be minimalist on code.
Two, and this is the killer: CONTENT. WP sites have fuck all other than the content you give them. The upside of this, of course, is that whatever you do put in them gets higher priority out of the site.
This of course assumes a degree of ceteris paribus, i.e. that if you'd put the same content in other systems it would do relatively well anyway because it's *good* content. Presumably as it's a blog and you have total control over what you're doing (unlike a forum where not all of the content is yours), you made it keyword rich etc. which is nothing to do with WordPress.
IOW, it's actually not really a lot to do with WP itself, more the conditions of running a blog as a whole.
Two, and this is the killer: CONTENT. WP sites have fuck all other than the content you give them. The upside of this, of course, is that whatever you do put in them gets higher priority out of the site.
This of course assumes a degree of ceteris paribus, i.e. that if you'd put the same content in other systems it would do relatively well anyway because it's *good* content. Presumably as it's a blog and you have total control over what you're doing (unlike a forum where not all of the content is yours), you made it keyword rich etc. which is nothing to do with WordPress.
IOW, it's actually not really a lot to do with WP itself, more the conditions of running a blog as a whole.
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The Pub / Re: Where are we?
« on August 22nd, 2013, 01:48 AM »
Well, here's the thing. There is a living breathing progress report in the public boards; you see a report of EVERY change in Wedge, anywhere.
As for the grand scheme, THERE ISN'T ONE. I'm not being facetious at this point, there never has been a grand plan. There are things we want Wedge to do. It's also increasingly clear that some of the things I want to do with Wedge are not what Nao wants to do, and vice versa. Because there's no grand plan it's hard to actually tell you where we are in it... we always kind of figured we'd release it when it 'felt right'.
I'm only too mindful that we're almost at exactly 3 years to the day since we started and sometimes it feels like we've moved a mountain - and in other ways it feels like we have a mountain still to move with things we want to do.
And the fact that things have been discussed that I'm not entirely happy with that may lead to some big changes. But that's a private matter at this time.
As for the grand scheme, THERE ISN'T ONE. I'm not being facetious at this point, there never has been a grand plan. There are things we want Wedge to do. It's also increasingly clear that some of the things I want to do with Wedge are not what Nao wants to do, and vice versa. Because there's no grand plan it's hard to actually tell you where we are in it... we always kind of figured we'd release it when it 'felt right'.
I'm only too mindful that we're almost at exactly 3 years to the day since we started and sometimes it feels like we've moved a mountain - and in other ways it feels like we have a mountain still to move with things we want to do.
And the fact that things have been discussed that I'm not entirely happy with that may lead to some big changes. But that's a private matter at this time.
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The Pub / Re: Where are we?
« on August 21st, 2013, 05:46 PM »
Wait, you think I was joking? I don't have any plans other than for some specific improvements I'd like to do...
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The Pub / Re: Where are we?
« on August 21st, 2013, 01:26 PM »
When did you guys ever think there was a *scheme* or a plan? If there is, I'd like to know it too.
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Archived fixes / Re: Soft merge / ignored user
« on August 21st, 2013, 01:37 AM »
Has this been committed? Haven't retested it yet.
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The Pub / Re: So where can I download Wedge?
« on August 21st, 2013, 01:28 AM »
It's really not just me. All the really fancy front end stuff is @Nao's work and he's made a great job of it. I tend to do the back end stuff, though I have been known to dabble with newer user interfaces like the drag 'n' drop to rearrange boards in the admin panel...
It's also interesting to note, the notifications system started out life as a plugin. In fact, we're running a number of plugins here as it is... 10 in fact. And because they're all without-edits (in fact, no plugin in Wedge can make file edits), they all play pretty nicely.
* list of active members in a topic (live627)
* improved attachments upload, allowing AJAX uploading, drag and drop attachments etc. (Dragooon and Nao)
* easy button to clear the language cache (me)
* member mentions (Dragooon)
* redirection for certain old style SMF URLs (Nao)
* flash the little envelope when you have a PM (me)
* skin selector (me and Nao)
* topic solved (me)
* users online today (me)
* some site specific stuff (me and Nao)
Yeah, it's an interesting experience. I really should get around to merging some of this stuff into the core sometime, though.
I'm gushing. I'm generally pretty happy with where we are right now and the fact that we're running a bunch of plugins and all's still good is a good reflection on us, I think :)
It's also interesting to note, the notifications system started out life as a plugin. In fact, we're running a number of plugins here as it is... 10 in fact. And because they're all without-edits (in fact, no plugin in Wedge can make file edits), they all play pretty nicely.
* list of active members in a topic (live627)
* improved attachments upload, allowing AJAX uploading, drag and drop attachments etc. (Dragooon and Nao)
* easy button to clear the language cache (me)
* member mentions (Dragooon)
* redirection for certain old style SMF URLs (Nao)
* flash the little envelope when you have a PM (me)
* skin selector (me and Nao)
* topic solved (me)
* users online today (me)
* some site specific stuff (me and Nao)
Yeah, it's an interesting experience. I really should get around to merging some of this stuff into the core sometime, though.
I'm gushing. I'm generally pretty happy with where we are right now and the fact that we're running a bunch of plugins and all's still good is a good reflection on us, I think :)
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The Pub / Re: So where can I download Wedge?
« on August 21st, 2013, 01:06 AM »
A sense of humour is greatly appreciated :P
And yes, this is what the fuss is about, although from the front it might not look (quite) so different... it's more the subtle things. Like the notifications when I say @ChalkCat, or the add-on system or the revamped admin panel, or infinite scrolling (hit a multi-page topic, scroll down, keep scrolling), or when the same person posts two posts together there are all kinds of magic around that... yeah, it's an interesting journey and when I figure out how to solve certain things it'll get even better.
For example, drafts. There's drafts on posts and PMs and it's a lot smoother to configure than in that other bit of software that we have no allegiance to whatsoever :P
And yes, this is what the fuss is about, although from the front it might not look (quite) so different... it's more the subtle things. Like the notifications when I say @ChalkCat, or the add-on system or the revamped admin panel, or infinite scrolling (hit a multi-page topic, scroll down, keep scrolling), or when the same person posts two posts together there are all kinds of magic around that... yeah, it's an interesting journey and when I figure out how to solve certain things it'll get even better.
For example, drafts. There's drafts on posts and PMs and it's a lot smoother to configure than in that other bit of software that we have no allegiance to whatsoever :P
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Features / Re: Soft merging of posts
« on August 20th, 2013, 04:34 PM »
You don't need to get rid of windowbg everywhere. One at a time - there's already postbg specifically for posts, target that first. Then one for the thoughts list, and so on and so on. Eventually yes, windowbg will go and that's a good thing. Ideally each major area should have its own set of classes so that it's easier to style at will - while it will take slightly more CSS, the per-page saving could be surprising - because you wouldn't necessarily need to leave in all the classes; I don't know what 'root' does but I see no reason why you couldn't flatten down 'root postbg(2)' to simply postbg, which would give you the same targeting in the JS as root did, whilst giving you all the styling options you needed. And then you save 5 or 6 bytes per post, every post. It will quickly make up for extra CSS.
I'm not questioning soft merging or the userbox changes per se, though they're both intertwined. Anything that makes it harder for themers to theme means we're just going to see what IPB and XenForo have for theming; which is to say we have much the same as SMF, only a bajillion times more entrenched.
There are precisely two XenForo sites I know of that don't look like XenForo. Every other installation just screams XenForo. Ditto for IPB. Anything that introduces behaviour that is dependent on rewriting layout markup is going to be fragile.
I'm not questioning soft merging or the userbox changes per se, though they're both intertwined. Anything that makes it harder for themers to theme means we're just going to see what IPB and XenForo have for theming; which is to say we have much the same as SMF, only a bajillion times more entrenched.
There are precisely two XenForo sites I know of that don't look like XenForo. Every other installation just screams XenForo. Ditto for IPB. Anything that introduces behaviour that is dependent on rewriting layout markup is going to be fragile.
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Archived fixes / Re: Subject bar is missing. Can not post topic whilst javascript is disabled.
« on August 20th, 2013, 12:48 AM »
I'll agree with the Chrome thing, it's how I investigated what was going on... And for the FF camp don't forget NoScript...
Hang on and I'll write such a plugin.
One thing I will say, I've thought about adding this before, multiple times, but always stopped because of the number of bytes it'll use.
Hang on and I'll write such a plugin.
One thing I will say, I've thought about adding this before, multiple times, but always stopped because of the number of bytes it'll use.
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Other software / Re: SM.org compromised
« on August 19th, 2013, 11:17 PM »
Yes because I love trusting my passwords on servers I don't control. Other than the site whose password it is, obviously.
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Archived fixes / Re: Subject bar is missing. Can not post topic whilst javascript is disabled.
« on August 19th, 2013, 09:14 PM »
It's not, as such, provided we add a warning that things just won't work properly with JavaScript disabled. Then we can safely ignore it entirely.
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Archived fixes / Re: Subject bar is missing. Can not post topic whilst javascript is disabled.
« on August 19th, 2013, 03:58 AM »
Given how much other stuff doesn't work already when trying to browse without JS...
Sure, we can add a warning easily enough. I'm most intrigued as to why the above occurs... for anyone wondering, the selectboxes are still hidden as they should be (because the custom selectboxes aren't then loaded) and they contain crazy-long content which pushes the subject box off the page even though it's otherwise visible.
Sure, we can add a warning easily enough. I'm most intrigued as to why the above occurs... for anyone wondering, the selectboxes are still hidden as they should be (because the custom selectboxes aren't then loaded) and they contain crazy-long content which pushes the subject box off the page even though it's otherwise visible.