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Nao

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New directions
« on June 21st, 2011, 08:19 PM »
Glee! Joy! Wedge!

So, SMF 2.0 Final is out, eh?
Fantastic.

Now we're a 100% legal project. Anyone can do exactly what we're doing. Except that we're starting to know the drill -- it's been 10 months already since we started work on our custom forum system.

Obviously, we can't wait to be ready to release it. We want feedback, we want excitement, we want glee. We want to finally be able to show what we mean when we say we're going to do things differently. We're no longer linked to SMF, imagination is the limit. Well, and our lifespans, I guess. Pete and I have been plagued with real-life commitments and issues these last few months, so progress is slowing down -- but when I say it's slowing down, I mean we're only adding features slowly. Not stalling for 3 years without doing a thing, if you know what I mean.

Myself, among other things, I had to go through the death of the beloved, glorious PC I built in 2005. For the first time in ten years I've had to reinstall Windows and reset my entire development environment. It's tough, but it's something that has to happen once in a while. Although, if my PC had waited a couple more days to die on me, I'd have finished my big yearly backup... Ah, fun times.

So, now I'm back up. My driving license exam is coming this week, hopefully I won't fail it, and I'll be able to focus entirely on Wedge once again!
Re: New directions
« Reply #1, on June 21st, 2011, 09:12 PM »
drive up to 100 times easier than programming  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Re: New directions
« Reply #2, on June 21st, 2011, 09:13 PM »
man... you're driving me crazy now.
Re: New directions
« Reply #3, on June 21st, 2011, 09:33 PM »
Good luck with your driving exams :) I'm really looking forward to see it running here on this site :D Can't wait to see it in action =)
Re: New directions
« Reply #4, on June 21st, 2011, 10:13 PM »
Oh, driving is easy, I've been driving a license-free car for 10 years... My girlfriend just wanted me to be able to drive her own automatic car as well. So I'm just getting a license for automatic cars. So it's really super easy. Only problem is, I'm so tired these days, I can hardly concentrate on driving safely... So that's where the challenge will be!

Sorry that my introductory post was so short -- I had to leave early.
Re: New directions
« Reply #5, on June 21st, 2011, 10:32 PM »
Bad luck with the workstation, Virtualization is the key!! Download a copy of VMWare Desktop edition (its free), then P2V (VMWare Converter) your desktop development environment, then in the event of you losing everything you simply mount the image on any other PC!
Re: New directions
« Reply #6, on June 21st, 2011, 10:48 PM »Last edited on June 21st, 2011, 11:12 PM by Drunken Clam
Quote from Nao/Gilles on June 21st, 2011, 10:13 PM
Only problem is, I'm so tired these days, I can hardly concentrate on driving safely...
Lol, having just returned from Paris, (last night), it seems to me that most of your fellow countrymen suffer from the same problem!!  :wow: :eheh:
Re: New directions
« Reply #7, on June 21st, 2011, 11:28 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on June 21st, 2011, 08:19 PM
Obviously, we can't wait to be ready to release it. We want feedback, we want excitement, we want glee. We want to finally be able to show what we mean when we say we're going to do things differently. We're no longer linked to SMF, imagination is the limit.
and we want the same
see
try
estimate
and use

and thank you for your work
Re: New directions
« Reply #8, on June 21st, 2011, 11:46 PM »
@DC> And you didn't even offer to meet me? :P

The French aren't such bad drivers... I think our roads are pretty safe compared to most civilized contries :P
Re: New directions
« Reply #9, on June 21st, 2011, 11:49 PM »
Best of luck with the driving exam.  :cool:

Uh, let's see now, it's keep left in Britain, keep right in France...  :unsure:
Re: New directions
« Reply #10, on June 22nd, 2011, 01:59 AM »
keep right in the USA too
Re: New directions
« Reply #11, on June 22nd, 2011, 03:00 AM »
Hopefully we'll see a revolution of open source forks ;) that will commit to the community instead of an individual or group of individuals.
Re: New directions
« Reply #12, on June 22nd, 2011, 07:04 AM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on June 21st, 2011, 11:46 PM
@DC> And you didn't even offer to meet me? :P

The French aren't such bad drivers... I think our roads are pretty safe compared to most civilized contries :P
The thought did actually cross my mind, but, having 'she who must be obeyed' and the offspring in tow, I didn't think it wise to inflict them upon you! (and besides, I figured you would be far too busy 'Wedging'!)  :niark:

Maybe next time when I come over on my own.

Good luck with the test!
Re: New directions
« Reply #13, on June 22nd, 2011, 10:31 AM »
Quote from groundup on June 22nd, 2011, 03:00 AM
Hopefully we'll see a revolution of open source forks ;) that will commit to the community instead of an individual or group of individuals.
Low blow. Especially since you clearly don't know the whole story. The move back to closed source is simply so that SMF doesn't start ripping off our code after the way things went down. Once our code is sufficiently far away from SMF to be useful, I suspect we'll reopen it again later.
Re: New directions
« Reply #14, on June 22nd, 2011, 10:52 AM »
Quote from Arantor on June 22nd, 2011, 10:31 AM
Low blow.
Oh, it didn't upset me but I didn't waste time re-explaining that which has been said many times before...
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Especially since you clearly don't know the whole story. The move back to closed source is simply so that SMF doesn't start ripping off our code after the way things went down. Once our code is sufficiently far away from SMF to be useful, I suspect we'll reopen it again later.
I don't 'suspect' it, I'm sure of it. I can pledge it already: that's the final outcome of the Wedge license -- life as BSD. Whether in 6 months or 6 years, but it will end up being released as BSD. It all depends on a number of factors, but it's not as complicated as it sounds. If it happens in 6 years, it means that I've been working on it for 5 years and I just lost interest. Means I added hundreds of features, am proud of the software I built, and want it to live a new life. Of course, it also depends on Pete's involvement at that point. If he's still there, he'll have a say. But I reckon that if any of us leave Wedgeward, the remaining leader will determine whether to go BSD or not. BSD is a way to put more vitality into a project when it's stalling, so it's definitely an interesting choice. Especially 'real' BSD with no extra clauses. So, if we both leave the project at the same time, it's a given to me: we'll relicense immediately.

That's for the *farthest* point in time at which we'll go BSD.
Now, like Pete, I 'suspect' we will go BSD before we get bored of the project.

I'm personally considering the possibility of going BSD as soon as we release Wedge 1.0 Final. It will all depend on one factor: Wedge's visibility. It's as simple as that. If Wedge is well known by the time its first gold version is out, it's unlikely SMF will take our code and run unnoticed.
So, you guys know what you have to do. Do our marketing for ourselves.  :angel:

One point to note about SMF, while I'm talking about them. What I don't want, and what Pete doesn't want, is to have the SMF team take Wedge and use it as a basis for SMF 3.0. We also don't want anyone else to take Wedge, rebrand it and release it commercially or on a large scale. But bits of code -- we're open to it. We don't want to hurt the SMF team[1], we just don't want anyone to get hurt in the process, and first and foremost, *us*.

So, basically, if the SMF team asks me whether they can use some of my code for SMF 2.1 or 3.0, and they clearly state what code block (or file) they want to use, and they promise to credit Wedge properly for it, then I'll consider giving them a waiver to use the code. And that's already a lot, considering the SMF team did nothing in my favor for a few years now...
 1. Well, there ARE definitely people in the SMF team on whom I could certainly find creative uses for a cucumber and tabasco pepper...
Re: New directions
« Reply #15, on June 22nd, 2011, 12:11 PM »
Hahaha. I say go for it. Closed source is definitely okay by me (again, I'm only one person but eh, opinions). It is nice that you plan to "return the favor" of open sourcing / licensing it later though.
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