IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
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Should I keep IE 11 for testing Wedge, or move back to the easier IE 10?

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Nao

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IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
« on March 16th, 2014, 04:30 PM »
So, I installed my Windows updates a few hours ago (for those curious, it did take about an hour... :lol:), and in the lot, I forgot to uncheck IE 11, so it kindly installed it for me.

I figured, what the hell, let's try it again, last time I tried out the beta, and removed it because they'd removed browser modes.

Okay, so...
- These new dev tools, where did they build the UI..? Did they actually have plans to build a UI for it?! It absolutely sucks. Everything is optimized towards reducing productivity. We're talking about a finished product that's supposed to overtake Chrome and Firefox and everything... Ah ah ah. Just launch it, then start scrolling. YEAH, smooth scrolling. Did I say SLOW, too? Smooth is nice. But if the user has disabled smooth scrolling in *Windows animations*, why the hell would they want that in another program..?

- Browser mode... Okay, they renamed that to Document mode. Yeah, super. They made it much harder to trigger (IE10: press F12, click the select box, select, done. IE11: press F12, scroll down the icon list, determine that the last one is the right one, then go through the list of select boxes, choose the one that NO LONGER says Browser and says "Edge" instead of "IE 11" making it even harder to find, and then select in the dropdown.)

- Okay, so I'm actually trying it out on my local website.

- IE 11: nice... Except that a child div having an opaque background will override its parent's border-radius. Opera has the same problem, but we're talking about a browser whose engine was last updated in 2012. Also, it doesn't seem to properly support display: flex, even though IE 10 does. Well, as far as I can remember, it did in my IE 10 install...

- IE 10: looks okay. Except for the flex thing.

- IE 9: at that point, all hell breaks loose.

- And then I realize that not only do I have to switch Document Mode to 9, but I also have to switch the user agent to 9. Manually, for each and every browser change!! If I don't, IE8 becomes ridiculous, as it no longer loads the html5shiv, and thus doesn't recognize <aside> tags for instance, and breaks the sidebar layout.

- Funny fact: if you close the dev tools, IE will automatically reload the IE 11 version. Which is so nice for making life easier for developers... Not.

Anyway... Apart from that, it looks okay, but I'd like to know if any of you who haven't installed IE 11 can see the same header in Wilde as in the screenshot below. That is: normally, the Unwedge title should be at the BOTTOM of the banner, rather than the top.

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Re: IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
« Reply #1, on March 16th, 2014, 07:41 PM »

Sorry all mine got updated to IE !!!

You know, I have IE and keep it up to date, but I do not and never ever did like it, and every time I use it to test and themes, I have to go through a scan my machines for Bugs, and it always finds some, Trojan, or malware, adware or some crap, not mention, I think it runs too slow, compared to the the Chrome and FF.
I use FF to work with themes, manly because, I'm use to it and the firebug and other nice add on's.
Chrome for surfacing and testing.
I real wish, I could just keep the IE off my main system and just use it on the secondary machine and Laptop. I seriously think it suck big baby chunks,
But so many still insist on using it, then they come to me to fix their PC or laptop, when the crap it the fans and locks up their machine.. and all that other window mess stuff you can have that to.
Some people have so much crap on their machines it takes, Four F Forever's just to get to full start up. They should name the IE to poop per scooper. lol!

Maxx

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Re: IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
« Reply #2, on March 16th, 2014, 08:08 PM »
My in-laws' PC is a virus nest... After 5 or 6 interventions of mine, I finally forbade them to use IE, installed Opera and Chrome, and explained them how to use them... They haven't looked back since. :cool:

Anyway, my IE 11 experience is really not encouraging, although after applying the user-agent tweak, IE11+IE8 renders pretty much like the 'real' IE8 does (in a XP VM.)

Yes, you can get rid of IE forever... But you can also, quite simply, never run it again... :^^;:
I know I have to, but that doesn't mean I have to do it every day, ah ah.
Firefox... I'd love to be in love in love with it, but it's always, systematically, been too slow for me. It has all the features I need, it's just horribly slow at starting up, and then switching between tabs, etc.

These days, in order of use, my browsers: Opera 20, Chrome 35, Chrome Stable, Firefox Aurora, Firefox Stable, and then, far behind, IE 7-11, and recently dropped from my test suite, IE6. (I'm lying, I actually still test in it... I just don't bother to fix it, I'm just curious to see how bad IE6 is at rendering modern sites :P)

Re: IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
« Reply #3, on March 16th, 2014, 10:46 PM »
Well MS says they are shutting down support for WIN XP and some are using it and the older browsers, But for me in a way if they don't want to keep up with the changes, they will suffer in the long run when it comes down the here and now of web browsing, and now in the US you can get Laptop Cheap with Windows already installed...I saw A New Dell 15.6" laptop Intel 300gb hd w/ HDMI for 279. bucks and the OS Win pro Cost that much nearly.... Sure it had WIN 8 and no one except me likes change, but I'm getting use to Win 8,1 and not that bad  boots up fast shuts down fast and operates like a charm, You only need to get rid od all fat that comes with it. I don't feel for those who do not keep up to date, Devs can not be thinking in the past so much, time to move on >> And with the Now / future there are so many things to consider, without being up the past lol!

People need to learn to fit in this world, the world will not fit the individual ever!

JMHO,, and BTW soon we'll all be back to hard knocks once again! the imaginary money is running out of popularity!

regards,
MadHat
Re: IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
« Reply #4, on March 19th, 2014, 08:14 PM »
Ok... Check the Wilde ( default) and it looks the same in IE 9 as the bottom ...except the green gradient at the top is missing. Can't screen yet because I'm reinstallingg Windows 7 on my main machine. IE suckith!

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Maxx

Nao

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Re: IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
« Reply #5, on March 20th, 2014, 05:56 PM »
The green gradient is missing because it doesn't support linear-gradient CSS.
However, it should be relying on a proprietary filter... I think. Doesn't it?

Re: IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
« Reply #6, on March 20th, 2014, 07:14 PM »
yes an example:

of course you shades are nto the same!

Code: [Select]
div{width:400px;height:200px;

    /*gradient background color */
    background: #0071a0; /* Old browsers */
    background: -moz-linear-gradient(left,  #0071a0 1%, #ff0000 100%); /* FF3.6+ */
    background: -webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, color-stop(1%,#0071a0), color-stop(100%,#ff0000)); /* Chrome,Safari4+ */
    background: -webkit-linear-gradient(left,  #0071a0 1%,#00a3ca 100%); /* Chrome10+,Safari5.1+ */
    background: -o-linear-gradient(left,  #0071a0 1%,#ff0000 100%); /* Opera 11.10+ */
    background: -ms-linear-gradient(left,  #0071a0 1%,#ff0000 100%); /* IE10+ */
    background: linear-gradient(to right,  #0071a0 1%,#ff0000 100%); /* W3C */
    filter: progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.gradient( startColorstr='#0071a0', endColorstr='#ff0000',GradientType=1 ); /* IE6-9 */
    }


for ie6-9
Code: [Select]
filter: progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.gradient( startColorstr='#0071a0', endColorstr='#ff0000',GradientType=1 ); /* IE6-9 */

Still renewing my main PC so forgive my tardiness!

Maxx

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Re: IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
« Reply #7,  »
Has anyone installed Windows 10 here?

I'm just curious to know if you're having trouble using Wedge with Edge... (Yes, I'm aware these are similar names, lol.)
Since the user agent string has Chrome/42 in it, I'm guessing Wedge will see it as a Chrome agent, but then what about all of the Chrome features that aren't supported in Edge..? (Such as filters, for instance. To me, Edge is basically IE 12, and it doesn't seem to have that many additions to IE 11 as the name would imply.)

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Re: IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
« Reply #9,  »
Menu is fucked up..? CSS issue. I'd have to update Wedge to account for Edge being an inferior copy of Chrome. Lol.

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Re: IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
« Reply #12,  »
Running Windows 10 1511 (build 10565, November update, threshold 2)
No change. Everything still like in earlier screenshots.

Nao

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Re: IE 11 and its funny developer tools...
« Reply #13,  »
I guess I'll have to wait until I go Win10...
Which I probably won't in the 'free' timespan, because it's so riddled with compatibility issues with games... :-/