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Best font for the logo..?

Nao

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #855, on January 4th, 2012, 06:25 PM »Last edited on January 5th, 2012, 03:59 PM by Nao
wedgelight3 was done with two layers of drop shadows (a regular drop shadow, and a copy of the original layer, colored to black and gaussian-blurred to act as secondary drop shadow) because I felt even the strongest shadows weren't too obvious. It looks good on the sides, not so sure about the middle. Also added an inverted logo with light drop shadow, didn't look great so I cropped the background shadow so it only shows up around the sides... Meh, not good. I think I'll let go of that one... ;)

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #856, on January 4th, 2012, 11:59 PM »
Quote from Bloc on January 4th, 2012, 09:41 PM
Hm, I am not sure how I should take that..as a challenge or just sarcasm?
Where do you see sarcasm?
Just because I'm put off by your tendency to request for account deletion, doesn't mean I don't understand the reasons behind your behavior. I won't judge you on that. I'm only interested in work, anyway. (I think you noticed the 24/7 thingy.)
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However, its tempting to vote again now when you put up a poll with new logos and I stand by it: you have done(and others) much better logos than the current ones, which lately have gone from a nice looking "leaf"(still not much to do with wedges) to a "plant" of sorts.
The leaf wasn't widely liked. So I cut the rounded corners and suddenly some people liked it. Then I added a 3D effect and they started loving it. Then I moved the text to the middle and even more loved it. Every time I make it 'busier', people like it more. It's not what I think they'll like -- it's what I see they like.
I've done countless logos I did *not* post, by the way... I'm only posting the ones I think deserve of being posted. Not all of them are worthy of being *used*, though. Just kept as a souvenir... Over the year, I posted dozens of logos, and I think I could pick a dozen of them and still be unable to decided which I like best.
And even then, it's not about what I like best -- it's about what gives Wedge a 'personality', if you may.

As a wanna-be designer, I know that simplicity is better than number of features. I also know that sometimes, you can get away with a beautiful busy design by ensuring nothing around it is busy. That's why I removed the slogan from the 'busy' logo, and why I worked mainly on readability.
Still doesn't stop me from having a parallel file where I'm testing variations on the 'sober' design. See my post just above, I edited it with my latest version (PT Sans + gradient icon.)
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It doesn't make sense to the name, it doesn't look particular nice either, just ..strange. The shape is very reminiscent of the Sydney opera house which I believe was meant as "sails" or perhaps "waves", can't remember.
It's what you want it to be. There's nothing 'true' and nothing 'wrong'. Went to Sydney back in '01 and it was the first flight I ever had, a fantastic memory and anything that reminds me of it is cool. The colors on the icon can also make you think of a plant (and the idea of tending to something beautiful.) The shapes can also make you think of two wedges meeting each other -- or two parts separated by a wedge. You can also see the two shapes as representing Pete and moi. (I'll also let you determine which is who.) You can see the most recent logo as a proud blazon. Or you can just see it as a random mass of pixels that doesn't make sense... Just like many people will probably be put off by my own design choices for Wedge in general.
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The font looks plastered on top of it without regard for its contrast with the shape,
Yet I put effort into it. So, how would you do it...?
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so you are left with that shape..and puzzling out what to make of it.
It's not the shape that matters... It's what you do with it :P
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Theres saying that often is the very first attempt you do, is the best one, and the further you work on it, the further you stray from that original idea. Well, I think that has already happened with Wedge's logo. The first attempts were great,
Which first attempts? The recent ones with the new icon, or the older attempts?
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just the logo and the slogan, which I still find very striking.
There are so many logos I found striking... Some were disliked by most people. Not that I would usually care, but I believe that after a year and a half of work on Wedge, I went from "doesn't care who uses it" to "hopefully it'll be successful."
So... Yeah, in a way, that logo matters to me. A lot. And it matters to me that people like it. No matter if I have to spend another year on it. It'll be a funny bed time story for my geeky grandchildren...
Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #857, on January 5th, 2012, 04:08 PM »
I really think that the logo is important. I see a tendency in web projects to fail when their logos suck. Every little thing that can help Wedge get more recognition is important to me.

You can, and may, delete all of your posts manually, AFAIK. And I would remove your account if you'd ask me. But you never do. I always find out about it when going through the admin area and happen to visit the Pending area for members. Then I'll say, "oh, that's why he stopped posting altogether...? Did he expect me to see that request if he didn't even mention he'd be going?"...
Anyway -- no, I don't want to see you go, it's always interesting to talk with you. But I'd also like for you to be a bit cooler when we discuss Wedge technicals, or at least not always take everything personal.. And finally, I'd appreciate that you're careful not to criticize us in our backs (you're free to criticize us obviously, but as long as it's something we may get to read.) I don't know about Pete, but I don't go to your site often, and I don't even have an account so I could hardly answer your remarks... I believe this is one of the reasons why Pete went AWOL these days (apart from RL issues.)

As for the Kaffe logo... Well, it's still a good logo. And there are still dozens of logos I've made since then, that I like more. Maybe I should do an actual compilation of my favorites in one post...

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #858, on January 5th, 2012, 04:45 PM »
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Maybe I should do an actual compilation of my favorites in one post...
it could help to decide what's best. ;)

Nao

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #859, on January 6th, 2012, 09:24 PM »Last edited on January 8th, 2012, 11:10 AM by Nao
Sure...
Posted: January 5th, 2012, 05:51 PM

Pete, I'd like your opinion on the current poll ;)

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Arantor

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #860, on January 6th, 2012, 11:44 PM »
Voted :) I like the 3D effect and I like the boxed look around the 'level up your forum'. I'm a sucker for well done 3D effects.

The logo is important, sure, but it can be figured out later if need be, it's not like there's a mass of marketing machinery attached to it at this point. But I'd like something that we both like and that we'll be able to at least 'put up with' for a while.
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I believe this is one of the reasons why Pete went AWOL these days (apart from RL issues.)
The conversation where I was trying to explain, badly, some of the things that will be encountered in trying to write a plugin system... it didn't end well. Public conversation, can't be arsed to find it. But suffice to say I felt better for burning the bridge.

Then I cut my ties with DZ too, this thread. Seems that subconsciously I was helping myself figure out what to cut back on in 2012... :whistle:
Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #861, on January 13th, 2012, 10:24 AM »
Anyway, back on track.

Seems to me that the current logo is the one people are happiest with and it's the most reflective of everything to date...
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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #862, on January 13th, 2012, 11:11 AM »
For post #860, the top one (wedgeboxlight7m.png).
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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #863, on January 13th, 2012, 05:04 PM »
I'm rather liking wedgeboxlight9m.png
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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #864, on January 18th, 2012, 10:17 PM »
 :whistle:  (thinks at least it isn't "cheesy")  :P :niark:

looks good Nao.. i like it.. mmm yea i'm digging thru posts i have missed..

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #865, on January 19th, 2012, 10:50 AM »Last edited on January 19th, 2012, 11:27 AM by Nao
Just a few notes...

- The current badge in the sidebar looks fantastic. However, I never got around to making it readable in small sizes. That's important to me -- we need to have a logo that is great in both large and small shapes.

- I actually never got bored of the 'simple' version (first choice in the poll). I tried doing more complex logos, but it's, once again, proving hard. I was satisfied with the 'framed' logo, too, but wanted a version that also worked horizontally. Hard, hard, hard.

- More annoyingly, the current logo in the bottom-right corner of the demo site (http://wedge.org/minilogo.png) still is my favorite when it comes to small logos. It has an extreme simplicity to it. I'll keep making tests around it, but I'm afraid I stupidly lost the original unresized file for it... :-/

- So, I made a few attempts that I posted above (unrelated to the minilogo). I didn't 'bump' my post because they weren't meant to be publicly debated (I will often post logos to see how they fare in a forum environment, then delete the attachments. This time I didn't delete them because they were referred to by later posts.)

- I'm posting my latest attempts. As you can see, they're only in SMALL sizes, that's because I want to stress-test their readability. The background color is subject to change, I may even remove it entirely although it's unlikely because it's important to the overall balance... As you can see, the idea was to get a compromise between text size compared to icon -- small text vs large icon in the sidebar badge (last poll choice), and large text vs small icon in the sidebar logo when you hover the badge (i.e. first poll choice). I also reversed the icon on its vertical axis, I feel it's an interesting variation. Finally, I made two versions: one with the lowercase text and drop shadow, one with uppercase text, and no drop shadow.

Do you think this is an interesting direction for the logo...?
They look *great* in the footer for the new skin (which I'm not making public, or even private, yet), but a bit disappointing on brighter backgrounds like here.

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #866, on January 19th, 2012, 11:02 AM »
Hmm, I'm less enthused by those two than the previous ones. The blue seems to suck the life out of the text somehow.

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #867, on January 19th, 2012, 11:17 AM »
What about the rest...? Reversed icon, preference between uppercase and lowercase, etc...

I also uploaded a version without background. Needs some work.

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #868, on January 19th, 2012, 11:52 AM »
They weren't there when I posted ;)

Lower case text works better (for a variety of reasons, but most importantly because it's actually easier to read), and the lighter blue background certainly works better than the darker one but I still think it's taking something away from the text itself.

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #869, on January 19th, 2012, 12:03 PM »Last edited on January 19th, 2012, 12:49 PM by Nao
Quote from Arantor on January 19th, 2012, 11:52 AM
They weren't there when I posted ;)
"Rest" means "other features (design decisions) in the logo"...
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Lower case text works better (for a variety of reasons, but most importantly because it's actually easier to read),
Not sure, personally. Uppercase, in this case, was so much easier to read that I could afford to remove the drop shadow...
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and the lighter blue background certainly works better than the darker one but I still think it's taking something away from the text itself.
Always hard to find the correct balance.

Posting a few tries I made yesterday, so they're not the most recent. Maybe you'll like one..?

:edit: And another few tries... Meh.

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