[Flames] Dream Portal

MultiformeIngegno

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #45, on April 1st, 2011, 11:16 PM »
Oh my... where's the sense of continuing this ton of useless posts?!
What does this have to do with Wedge, NOW?

texasman1979

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #46, on April 1st, 2011, 11:21 PM »
im bout to push continue if yall dont stop bitching. lol

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willemjan

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #47, on April 1st, 2011, 11:26 PM »
OMG is this still going on? I thought I had calmed things down... I want to earge all the DP members to stop posting here right now! This is not going to fix what has happened. To many things have been going on to fix this. We go our way, they go their way.

So stop right now!

live627

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #48, on April 1st, 2011, 11:29 PM »
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this actually getting interesting
Debates between ex-devs and current devs are always interesting.... in their own way...
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It's not about the software, it was the previous team
And the relation between SM team and DP team, which has long since gone down the drain.
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The only one, as I can see it, that is from the previous team is SoLo...he is a guy with strong opinions, but as far as I can see he is a guy with backbone and he knows what he is talking about ;)
He also did over half the codebase, and most of 1.0.
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I see a lot of hurts, anger, offended people etc....and this can be for good reasons for all I know...but I know that it is possible to deal with that in some way and put it in the past
And I've been told that Im not welcome to dp.net
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I didn't attack anyone in person, and I find it a bit strange to get some of the comments I get here, not that I take it personal, but still I would presume that most people here are grown ups and would refrain from that ;)
Hrm, I guess. But do grown ups try to cover things up?
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Since it is a new team working on DP now maybe we could smoke a peace pipe?
I'm only a a random dude that happens to have been thrown out... so... fun fact: The SVN for Wedge and the SVN for DP were started at roughly the same time (late August) and both were more or less tied with rev counts until 266.
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I agree, SMF is good
The software is, but the team less so.
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and I can see how frustrating it must be if you have tried to input on the development of SMF only to be met by ignorance
I have at least two bug reports sitting and gathering dust on their forums... and almost a dozen in my head that aren't going any further because if the dudes sleeping and saying that everything is fine.

Funny, certain people have said the same exact thing with DP.
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and I am not against the project
"Everyone that is not for me is against me."
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DP developer
Honestly, those were the two words that stand the strongest in your whole post.
A confident man keeps quiet.whereas a frightened man keeps talking, hiding his fear.

texasman1979

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live627

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #50, on April 1st, 2011, 11:36 PM »
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OMG is this still going on?
It's the song that never ends, beccaause it goes on and on and on. Oh sorry, debate.
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dammit im pushing it. :(
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Hehe you have a loan to take out

Arantor

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #51, on April 2nd, 2011, 12:13 AM »
I've long since decided to add support for selecting what the front page does; it's one of the features I need to add before I migrate innovatenotimitate.com off WordPress, to automatically drop into the right board.

@JaZz, Bloc originally wrote TinyPortal. Also, see www.blocweb.net which doesn't currently use a portal. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #52, on April 2nd, 2011, 12:13 AM »
@JaZz, sigh... look dude, you know you're not going to hang around here for much longer, so why just don't you gracefully edit the above post, nobody here is insulting you, but if you feel like insulting is because either you don't know what to say or you just don't know what are you talking about.

... why didn't I ask to be a mod before... sigh!

Arantor

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #53, on April 2nd, 2011, 12:28 AM »
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I didn't know Bloc wrote TinyPortal....but then Bloc why don't you see the point in having a portal? once upon a time you did... and probably you're a genius or a semi-genius
Because he's seen what several of us here have: the portals are almost clones of each other. None of them do anything particularly unique, it's just differences of presentation and admin panel - there's virtually feature parity across the main portals now - when Bloc did it originally, it was the only one of its kind for SMF as far as I know. Now you have several clones of each other and none of them bringing anything actually new to the table.

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #54, on April 2nd, 2011, 12:31 AM »
What a douche. Dp is in good hands with you. Do you know what dp means btw? Not, not porn.
[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #55, on April 2nd, 2011, 12:36 AM »
Tsssk.

willemjan

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #56, on April 2nd, 2011, 12:45 AM »
Jazz you are making things worse... please stop!

Arantor

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #57, on April 2nd, 2011, 12:50 AM »
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I do understand that...but the portal is NOT for the experiences users is it? it is for the common man who want to have a forum/website with easy access to functions or mods...
Well done for completely missing my point.

I know even experienced admins who use SP or TP or others. The whole point of a portal is to be able to group certain content in a certain way, to present a front page, sidebar etc. i.e. to bring all the content together.

Except other than aesthetics and a few feature differences, there's not a lot to differentiate the portals.
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Hmmm, since I am getting curious here....were you involved with DP? and why the heck are you talking about porn? and what is it about this: "DP is in good hands with you"? I wanna contribute with the development as much as I can...I believe in the project and I have friends/resources that do as well...don't quite understand what I did to you Nao.....
What Nao is saying is that he thinks with development being carried out by someone who seemingly misses the point of what a portal does, it's not going to go very far.

ccbtimewiz

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #58, on April 2nd, 2011, 02:39 AM »
Jazz does not represent DP or their intentions, I'm sure.

SoLoGHoST

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[Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« Reply #59, on April 2nd, 2011, 06:31 AM »Last edited on April 2nd, 2011, 07:17 AM by SoLoGHoST
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What Nao is saying is that he thinks with development being carried out by someone who seemingly misses the point of what a portal does, it's not going to go very far.
Wow, what a blow.  I suppose you guys are going around talking a ton of bad nonsense on me?  I'm happy for you, but honestly, I don't expect any less.  I'd rather not sink too low, because I don't think that talking about other people in a sense of belittling them, mocking them, or anything else for doing a FREE PROJECT, is any way to spend your free time!

You guys are well respected within the SMF community and without.  BUT, seriously... Missing the point of what a portal does?  I'm sure you guys have a ton of experience and knowledge, do me a FAVOR and KEEP IT!

Whether someone is at the site for a brief time or for the long haul, does not mean that his comments and/or opinions are unimportant!  A bunch of hypocrits you are!  I'm glad for you with Wedge, but I don't think that putting other FREE PROJECTS and their Team down is very friendly at all!  Ofcourse, I don't feel that this is even a human thing to do.  You guys trout around like you are doing the world a HUGE FAVOR!  Good for you, but there are others trying to help out in other ways also, do me a favor and leave it alone!

@ccbtimewiz - I'd appreciate it if you would stop trotting around other sites trying to play a good guy, bad guy role and be more active at the actual Dream Portal site instead.

There was a few points within this topic that were actually wrong... or atleast, I've never been confronted with this...
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To expand on what Nao said, I've also been wrongly accused of destroying property...
What the #$%# are you talking about??

Arantor made a few mistakes in what his perception of everything was and how it happened within his story, Reply #50
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that descended into personal insults (mostly from him)
Did not insult you in that topic.  I believe it started out with you insulting me bro.  Please let me know if you want me to spend the 2 hours of hunting down the topic and repeating POST BY POST so that I can actually prove this to you, if it makes you feel any better, k?  Telling me that I don't know the difference between in_array and empty.  That in_array is no where near empty and it can't be used and you provided an example.  And so you took what I said next offensively, which wasn't meant that way bro.  When I said that I was glad to have taught you something, I didn't mean it offensively!  Taken completely out of context.  Ofcourse, I'm not surprised by a person who thinks negatively either.

When Arantor confronted live627, I suppose he felt it would be better for live627 to confront us with the idea and let us know of his intentions of using Dream Portal's code in the SMF Fork.  And in that topic live627 stated that they were planning on using our code without using our Dream Branding.

Here is most of the discussion, pay attention to who is saying what...
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The idea is to use DP's code to add a portal to the fork.

The changes in the fork are numerous and varied, so the adaptation would be, properly speaking, a fork.

By "the fork" I mean the SMF fork that Nao and Arantor are working on.

I technically don't need to bring it here for discussion since we use a BSD license and a fork of this software could commence anyway.
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Some of the "Dream" branding will probably be removed.
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Forking Dream Portal is not permissible without permission (or retaining copyright).

If you mean having a working DP for a forked SMF... then sure, I don't mind it.
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They will not use any of Dream Portal's code.
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They will not use any of Dream Portal's code.
The difference between that statement and the license is comparable to black and white.

Judging by these answers, why oh why did you choose BSD?
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Well, if they want to use DP's code, I don't understand why they would remove the Dream branding?  I believe that is a breach of the BSD License as far as I understand it.

Again, I have nothing against them using DP's code for their SMF fork.  But perhaps it would be a wiser call for them to either create their own Portal, or have some of us from Dream Portal help them with their Core Portal.

In any case, I also remember that code that you contributed to Dream Portal and the project belongs to you and you alone and can be reused in any other projects by you.

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KEYWORD HERE IS:  BELIEVE and the CATCH PHRASE HERE:  as far as I understand it.
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FFS

They will not use DPs code, and even if they do, they will leave the copyright intact. End of discussion, topic locked.

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It's pointless to discuss whether or not people use our code. If they do, either they put our copyright, or they don't. Discussing it is not going to change that. It also hasn't even happened yet, so even more so pointless. But more importantly, I'm sure we all know that we're not ACTUALLY going to enforce the copyright farther than asking people to place it back, which makes this discussion even more so pointless.
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It's a Modified-BSD license that prevents any and all forking without written consent from me.

And I emphasized me for a reason, since I am registering Dream Portal in my local court.
Topic was locked by hadesflames who was outraged by this and is NO LONGER on the DP TEAM!

I don't have enough time in a day to waste hunting down these topics and trying to prove my innocence for doing a FREE PROJECT.  If you have 12 hours a day to spend if you don't have a JOB, or any responsibilities in life to document everything you code for FREE, than GOOD FOR YOU!  Do not criticize, belittle, or mock others who don't do this, because of the lack of time and the LACK of people willing to actually help either!!

Friends are important in this world.  Glad you are willing to stick by them Nao, even when they are wrong!  It's a rare trait to see these days.  Good for you both!