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Arantor

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #30, on November 5th, 2011, 05:12 PM »
Actually, while I appreciate your post is written in jest, there is a perfectly valid plugin for SMF (I know, I wrote it) that actually does some of those things, and other similar things (and it wouldn't be hard to do something like it but better in Wedge)

Imagine you have a pain user you want rid of.[1] For them, make it seem slow, disable certain features but pretend it's because the site's busy and can't handle the load. But only for them. Eventually they will take the hint.
 1. Or someone you want to prank, as was seen a couple of years ago.
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #32, on November 5th, 2011, 05:58 PM »
Yup, that's exactly it.

I've long thought about integrating some form of that into Wedge, too.

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #33, on November 5th, 2011, 07:55 PM »
if it is - it's good

a similar function xenforo built from the outset

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #34, on November 6th, 2011, 04:57 PM »
Quote from Arantor on November 2nd, 2011, 04:08 PM
Hide mod

This is apparently one of the most 'important' mods. The notion that hiding some content away from users until they post is a good way to get their attention and get them posting.

Yes, it generates posts. It generates stupid one line posts where people make the post solely to see the content, and invariably don't even bother replying afterwards to *actually* contribute something meaningful. You turn the problem of lack of participation into a problem of crap participation. I'm not going to condone or encourage it.
I won't argue with the logic here though I've been wondering lately if I'd have use for it. It would be a rather specific case and opposed to hiding the certain contents of certain posts  I would hide all but the first post. My scenario is is that we post daily links from a game and each person can choose what they want from each persons list however I find that while everyone is willing to select what they want from the posted links not everyone is actually posting their links for others to choose from. So what I've always wanted to do is post the daily links thread where only the the first post is shown and you have to reply with your links for the day to view all the replies (if someone chose to post nonsense just to access everyone else's links we could easily remedy that and eventually just block them from viewing the list at all). But I still agree this isnt a must have thing.
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Look but no read

This is to allow guests to see into a board and see the names of topics but not let them into the topics themselves. Apparently this is a good incentive. Oh, it's an incentive alright, to discourage search engines from visiting your site - if a search engine visits, they're only going to see what guests see. And if you fudge it for search engines, apart from the fact you just gave users a reason not to sign up, search engines have been known to send out requests that don't identify themselves as search engines, and if the content is different, you can be penalised.
Never used this mod so I'm just going to assume it's rather close to what View/Enter Permissions does which I find extremely useful however my setup isn't aimed guests but rather the existing members. We display all available boards and control who enters which.

Can't really say much about the other 2 either... just felt like throwing my 2 bits in :P
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #35, on November 6th, 2011, 05:16 PM »
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It would be a rather specific case
In which case it's not a good fit, or to use the terminology from InI[1], you're still solving the wrong problem. What would really suit is a facility whereby only the first post is shown until a suitable link has been posted, rather than something that allowed generic access (however limited) to the topic at hand. I probably wouldn't even show it as a topic to start with, but just the opening post on its own page, and a single line box to put the URL in (plus any other information needed)

I am curious as to what links these are...
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Never used this mod so I'm just going to assume it's rather close to what View/Enter Permissions does which I find extremely useful however my setup isn't aimed guests but rather the existing members.
Sort of. Whereas V/E P lets a board be visible on the board index but disallow access or visibility (which means you can have hidden but accessible, or visible but inaccessible boards)[2] this mod will let you see the list of topics in a board but not access the actual topics themselves.

The idea is that it is used to allow guests to see topics but to encourage them to register in order to see the content. But it hides the content from search engines meaning that unless there's something else to encourage them to visit, they'll never even find it, let alone be incentivised to register.
 1. I really must catch up and write some more posts, just not had time lately.
 2. For example, you could show the existence of premium boards to regular members but disallow them access. More crucially, V/E P also lets you ban people from a given board, e.g. troublemakers.

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #36, on November 6th, 2011, 05:34 PM »
You've hit the nail on the head as what I'd actually desire though it hadn't occurred to me that the links could/should be checked (better than having to manually check each post). The links are generated based on items that can be sent/accepted ad daily gifts, in a bit I'll try to grab a link or 2.

I get it now.. and V/E P does exactly what I want as we do not display the list of topics just that the board exists.

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #37, on November 6th, 2011, 05:39 PM »
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You've hit the nail on the head as what I'd actually desire though it hadn't occurred to me that the links could/should be checked (better than having to manually check each post).
To be honest, that's sort of my job when it comes to analysis and design. It isn't about what you think you want but what you actually need, and you'd be surprised how often the two are different. No, I'll rephrase that, you probably won't be surprised how often the two are different, but you would probably be surprised how *vastly* different they usually are.

To put it into context, have a read of http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Classic-WTF-Lock-and-Key.aspx - that's the best (worst!) example of what people think they want as compared to what they need.
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The links are generated based on items that can be sent/accepted ad daily gifts, in a bit I'll try to grab a link or 2.
Yeah, I'm just intrigued by exactly how this works, since my reaction above is based on how it's described, but it's likely that I've made more than one assumption in suggesting what I did.
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I get it now.. and V/E P does exactly what I want as we do not display the list of topics just that the board exists.
Yup, and that makes sense. The design was specific for that, so that view and enter were decoupled and that you could grant, not give or deny based on any combination of groups you cared to name. I can easily envisage sites that use any combination of them depending on circumstance, but I have yet to see a site that hides the contents of topics from guests that would actually encourage me to post - because if a search engine doesn't see the content, how do I find that I want that site?

I want to say that you'd be surprised at the people that don't realise this, but I doubt you would actually be surprised by it.

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #38, on November 6th, 2011, 06:06 PM »
Link sent via PM

That was a good read, needless to say I do follow InI and have read the bits about fixing the wrong problems ;)

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #39, on November 6th, 2011, 07:23 PM »
I like the idea of View/Enter Board permissions, btw... Probably more than 'view list of topics in boards you can't access'.
Having the board name show up, without a link, and possibly with a hint about how you can't access it... That could be helpful sometimes.

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #40, on November 6th, 2011, 07:41 PM »
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I like the idea of View/Enter Board permissions, btw... Probably more than 'view list of topics in boards you can't access'.
Pssst, you know I implemented it already, right? Ages ago I rewrote the old query_see_board to become query_see_only_board (later query_list_board) and it's all stored in the board_groups table ;)

The one downside is that I *still* haven't fixed the UI for it in the admin panel, even though it's like months later, because I still haven't figured out a non-ridiculous way of doing it that I like. (It's certainly going to be an improvement on it being a true and physical permission like my mod was)

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #41, on November 6th, 2011, 10:44 PM »
Quote from Arantor on November 6th, 2011, 07:41 PM
Pssst, you know I implemented it already, right?
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Ages ago I rewrote the old query_see_board to become query_see_only_board (later query_list_board) and it's all stored in the board_groups table ;)
Oh yeah, silly me... The very feature that you forgot to write a UI for. Might be related to my not noticing :P

Why not reuse the UI in AeMe BTW...? I think it has enough stuff with regards to setting album privacy.

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #42, on November 6th, 2011, 10:59 PM »
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Please, don't tell me you also already implemented the thought system somewhere I didn't notice...
No, I didn't, heh.
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Why not reuse the UI in AeMe BTW...? I think it has enough stuff with regards to setting album privacy.
Because the context is different, and has different settings in regard to what's really needed. Albums let you set read/write per group per album[1] but there's no deny per group.

Even if we, for the moment, transpose read/write as view/enter, we've still got to somehow convert the per-user disable read and per-user disable write into something that works for groups, which means you have three states per view and three per enter (as opposed to two which can be meaningfully represented with a checkbox)

I'm also not sure about setting a password per board, though it is requested often enough on sm.org.

(Also, in an album configuration in Aeva, you can set per-user grant and per-user deny. If you put the same username in both, what happens, out of interest?)
 1. Doesn't cleanly handle inherited groups but I think that entire concept is semi broken anyway.

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #43, on November 9th, 2011, 07:21 AM »
Quote from Arantor on November 2nd, 2011, 04:08 PM
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Seriously, why would we do this? We have blog support built in...


There may be more, but that's it for now at least.
You are looking at this from a forum point of view this meaning that the forum is your main site. However I find that a lot of people want a WP web site and a forum attached to that the forum being secondary. Now WP does have a lot of forum plugins but I have found them lacking in a lot of respects so if you could have a menu item in your WP site linking to a wedge forum that would be a plus for these types of web sites
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #44, on November 9th, 2011, 08:19 AM »
What if Wedge aims to have blogs before 1.0 and an importer is being made? Oh, oh, some people want to stick to their beloved WordPress.

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