Wedge

Honestly? No.

The initial support is likely to be full of whiners complaining though -_- about people who expect it to be perfect and not beta when it first emerges (since of course we can't test it as thoroughly as we'd like ourselves, just because we're only human.

"Will beat whiners with a stick. Doubly so if they don't at least try to read."

Read? Read? :tss:

Come on guys - let's get real now ...

Thought I would add I have a few forum concepts in my head I will launch when Wedge goes Release Candidate or Gold.

I'd expect word-of-mouth to spread the news of course. Then we could go to other forums, especially ... that other one ... and make some noise. Might be in bad taste so I'd make sure it was OK here first. :)

@xrunner: The only real question is who plays Jules and who plays Vincent. I think I'd be quite a good Jules (other than the fact that I'm just not anywhere near as awesome as Samuel L. Jackson), though whether @Nao would like being John Travolta is another matter entirely :lol:

Officially, linking here from That Other Place is still officially verboten, but if there's a useful post here, then it's worth linking ;)

I actually expect things to turn a bit funny... Warning, naughty words ahead. But if you get where this is going already, you'll know exactly what to expect ;)

@Boko: You can always contribute them now if you like... that's why we deliberately run Wedge either directly from SVN or only a day or so's revisions behind, so that as it evolves, we can show you and involve you in the process of doing so.

Site concepts not idea for the product, though I do add those to relevant threads when I have them. I do appologize for not being more clear will blame lack of sleep. Yeah that's it.

Oh well then, there's lot's of useful posts here. And - who defines what "useful" is anyway - I mean we all know everyone's opinion is valid. I'll help make sure there's plenty of useful posts to link to here - tee hee hee.

Right?

RIGHT!

So, I couldn't spare that crowd of any useful information on the internets, wherever it may be, now could I? :+1:

@Boko: To an extent the two are surprisingly similar. When it comes out in the wash, pretty much anything you see here will be available. The only time it's going to be any different is when we get to having a download system and a mod site which will be run by us and may or may not be available depending on how we do it.

@xrunner: It has happened that we've offered useful information back to them in the past and got it linked to here, e.g. I seem to recall debates about SMF development, when we'd already done it... hell, I posted a few requests for features with screenshots of what I'd already done ;)

@Arantor: This is all open source right? You know I admire all of the people who do that, from whatever camp. Busting my ass on a really cool function for months just to give it away, that's truly admirable.

Well, Wedge is currently not open source as such (SMF 1.1.x's licence is not open source, but free for use, which isn't the same thing). We have discussed internally as to exactly what licence terms Wedge will have, and we have in the past talked about going paid with it but that raises all kinds of complications, in terms of licensing as well as upsetting people unnecessarily - not to mention the fact that too high means we need to compete with the others in terms of features (which aren't necessarily what *we* want to add) and too low makes it look suspicious.

For example, hands up those people that wouldn't touch Woltlab Burning Board at only $70 or thereabouts as compared to $125+ for IPB, $140 for XF and $209+ for vB? The price looks suspicious compared to its rivals. And people who pay the higher kind of money expect a certain amount of 'code cleanliness' that we don't have (or want)... elsewhere I've talked about the whole OOP vs non-OOP thing, we're not fully OOP, and I doubt we ever will be, plus we do things in an unconventional way but that work for us and what we want to do.

Right now I'm not really that focused on any of that stuff. I'm more interested in just building something awesome, and to a point I don't really want to have to care about pricing or licensing, which is where OSS comes in, open source is just the 'getting to build something awesome' aspect.

How about in this board:
"Site Comments, Issues and Concerns
Comments on this slick site? Post them here. (SMF bugs should be reported in Bug Reports.)"
"Dear Mr Sm.org Administrator, have you considered upgrading this forum to Wedge? It is based on SMF but has more features and fewer bugs :)"

I was just trying looking at the Chit Chat board over there and got this error -

Unable to load the 'main_above' template.

 :blink:

oldies is working on fixing it, he is not sure what the issue is since the template was not edited.