Poll

What should I look at next?

XenForo
5 (27.8%)
FluxBB
1 (5.6%)
vB 4
0 (0%)
vB 5
2 (11.1%)
phpBB
2 (11.1%)
Vanilla
1 (5.6%)
Woltlab Burning Board 4 beta 1
4 (22.2%)
other (please state)
1 (5.6%)
SMF 2.1 (alpha)
2 (11.1%)
Total Members Voted: 18

Wanchope

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Re: Next System Visitation
« Reply #30, on May 31st, 2013, 04:25 PM »
Quote from Arantor on May 31st, 2013, 02:27 PM
What do you mean 'a little insight'? Didn't you see the ENORMOUS posts I did for IPB last night?
No,by the little insight in relation to IPB I mean you should do a little comparison between Xenforo and IPB, just like you did in MYBB and SMF in the second (?) system visitation.
Thanks.

Arantor

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Re: Next System Visitation
« Reply #31, on May 31st, 2013, 04:32 PM »
In which case you sort of missed the point of what I've been doing.

With each system I've been tackling it on its good points and its bad, reasonably objectively. Certainly that's the case with vB 3 and IPB 3, I'm interested in what the strengths and weaknesses of the platforms are. I'm looking at each platform to see if there's anything interesting or useful they've done that might inspire us.

MyBB... if you listen to its support community, one of its strengths is simply 'it's not SMF'. I want to understand if it is one of MyBB's strengths and if so, why. Does it mean there is something we need to change in Wedge? Is it just fanboys spitting out their cereal in disbelief? It's not about comparing the two as such, it's about understanding whether one of its supposed strengths really is one of its strengths.

I don't care about whether platform X is better than platform Y, and I'm certainly not anyone's review service. I'm not here to provide you recommendations for one platform over another and I'm sorry if that's all you're taking away from this series. I care whether platform X has features that we can implement or improve upon in Wedge.
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Wanchope

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Re: Next System Visitation
« Reply #32, on May 31st, 2013, 04:36 PM »
I was looking for performance point of view between then not features. Not the biggest fan of IPB because they have turns of features I will never use and to make it worse, they are all in the core, all these makes IPB much slower than Xenforo.
Thanks anyway.

Arantor

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Re: Next System Visitation
« Reply #33, on May 31st, 2013, 04:40 PM »
In which case you already have your answer and don't need me to further validate what you already know or suspect to be true. But I'm still not doing system X versus system Y unless there is a *specific* reason to compare them.

I have no doubt, for example, that I will be comparing XF with vB 3 when I get to reviewing it because XF's developers are ex vB developers (Kier Darby was lead dev of vB 3.x as well as XF), but that's also to see how things have evolved, and what has stayed the same in that time. That's a similar comparison in a lot of ways to SMF 1.0 to 1.1 to 2.0 which is something I might do sometime just if I get bored; there's nothing to learn from the earlier SMF history.[1]
 1. There are no significant functionality removals between 1.0 and 2.0, only new features, so it then becomes a point of figuring out what was added when.
Re: Next System Visitation
« Reply #34, on May 31st, 2013, 05:33 PM »
Just a reminder: I added SMF 2.1 to the poll if you want to see what they've done with it without having to install it yourself.

Wanchope

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Re: Next System Visitation
« Reply #35, on May 31st, 2013, 08:46 PM »
Quote from Arantor on May 31st, 2013, 04:40 PM
In which case you already have your answer and don't need me to further validate what you already know or suspect to be true. But I'm still not doing system X versus system Y unless there is a *specific* reason to compare them.

I have no doubt, for example, that I will be comparing XF with vB 3 when I get to reviewing it because XF's developers are ex vB developers (Kier Darby was lead dev of vB 3.x as well as XF), but that's also to see how things have evolved, and what has stayed the same in that time. That's a similar comparison in a lot of ways to SMF 1.0 to 1.1 to 2.0 which is something I might do sometime just if I get bored; there's nothing to learn from the earlier SMF history.[1]
 1. There are no significant functionality removals between 1.0 and 2.0, only new features, so it then becomes a point of figuring out what was added when.
Ok, I was saying a slight insight in comparison with IPB because it looks like they have similar structure (to me) and it looks entirely different from VB 3 though the same developer is involved.

Arantor

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Re: Next System Visitation
« Reply #36, on May 31st, 2013, 08:48 PM »
There is very little similarity between XenForo and IPB in the scheme of things; most of the similarity is form following function and how most forums have much the same general idioms at work. Actually if you follow the story, XenForo does bear a similarity to what Kier admitted that he wanted vB 4 to be but that Internet Brands decided it wasn't going to happen.
Re: Next System Visitation
« Reply #37, on June 1st, 2013, 12:40 AM »
Just for those voting XenForo... if you keep those votes for it, you're going to be seeing the out of date version...

kimikelku

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Re: Next System Visitation
« Reply #38, on June 2nd, 2013, 10:38 AM »
@Arantor could you take a look at esotalk? It reminds me of discurse, overall its a nice concept that you can check out.

Arantor

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