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Arantor

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Re: Spirate
« Reply #15, on March 4th, 2013, 09:49 PM »
Part of the problem is that Bloc and I never saw eye to eye about some things, and in particular the fact that what he wants to do isn't really feasible in a wider-scale project, as wonderful as it would be, it just is not practical for us to adopt it.
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Re: Spirate
« Reply #16, on March 4th, 2013, 10:08 PM »
Had a feeling there was a background issue but didn't want to pry.

Wedge is your baby and you of all people should know what's best in the overall scheme of things. I feel he was only attempting to relay his input sos to accommodate future theme development from his perspective albeit not in a forceful sense.

Would be good to have a second opinion from theme design standpoint.

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Re: Spirate
« Reply #17, on March 4th, 2013, 10:11 PM »
And we listened and we made changes to accommodate it as best we could, but essentially it turned into 'you're not listening to me, bye'.
Re: Spirate
« Reply #18, on March 4th, 2013, 10:16 PM »
Quote from Oracle on March 4th, 2013, 09:48 PM
I was under the impression he offered his services Nao. > I seem to recall saying...."Now there's an invitation" or something along those lines. Just didn't open the door wide enough I guess.
Yes you are correct He Did and so did I and in more than one site, but not much attention was at this but rather the personal project he was working with, and you never know When he has something to present He may come back, I do not know!!

But Has Nao said his ideas were freshest, and still are, How I setup the themes so you could parse any Cat or cats to the Blog and or Gallery, he had a nice Frontpage ad-on and other stuff in the works. Even things I will not repeat, because I said I would not.

And I remember He and Arantor getting in deep in conversation over things, but like I mentioned, I feel he felt he was being Missile'd into others ideas and or directions. Not speaking for him, just my outlook on things!


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Re: Spirate
« Reply #19, on March 4th, 2013, 10:19 PM »
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And I remember He and Arantor getting in deep in conversation over things, but like I mentioned, I feel he felt he was being Missile'd into others ideas and or directions.
Oh, we got into a huge conversation. The problem is what he wants to do is viable - right up until the point where other people actually want to use it or write extensions for things. If a theme has total control (as opposed to reasonable control), no-one can ever write an addon without having to write it uniquely for each theme. Which pretty much kills writing addons. Or writing themes for that matter.

For a personal exploration, that's fine. But for a system that is intended for general use, it simply isn't practical. Whether you like that fact or not is pretty much irrelevant, that's the reality of it.

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Re: Spirate
« Reply #20, on March 4th, 2013, 10:20 PM »
Oh right each to their own I guess...The fact is you listened and acted which is all one could expect. I'll let you get on with more pressing matters.
Re: Spirate
« Reply #21, on March 4th, 2013, 10:27 PM »
Quote from Arantor on March 4th, 2013, 10:19 PM
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And I remember He and Arantor getting in deep in conversation over things, but like I mentioned, I feel he felt he was being Missile'd into others ideas and or directions.
Oh, we got into a huge conversation. The problem is what he wants to do is viable - right up until the point where other people actually want to use it or write extensions for things. If a theme has total control (as opposed to reasonable control), no-one can ever write an addon without having to write it uniquely for each theme. Which pretty much kills writing addons. Or writing themes for that matter.

For a personal exploration, that's fine. But for a system that is intended for general use, it simply isn't practical. Whether you like that fact or not is pretty much irrelevant, that's the reality of it.
I'm not in any way disagreeing with you! and you know ay more than hope to know about this. Just seeing what I saw and liked, not going either way in the technical end of things. :)

Edit as a matter of fact, ones needs to bend with the ideas to get things working right and that can not be my way or Highway. And there were things he was totally against ( I felt) but something has got to give. I agree!

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maxx

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Re: Spirate
« Reply #22, on March 5th, 2013, 09:33 AM »
Maxx, when I say his ideas were fresh, I mean that he doesn't care about the stylistic separation between blog and forum themes. His implementations were classical and logical. Just have a look at my blog (http://nao.noisen.com), it was built with that SMF style between 2005 and 2009, and is close to what I want to do in Wedge.
Re: Spirate
« Reply #23, on March 5th, 2013, 03:24 PM »
Yes +1 totally agreed, and that site is very nice to say the least, :) and I think I may be able to make HTML5 templates like that site, but putting all together PHP -SMF) is another story. Was another great thing about Bloc's work..

But I also agree with Pete that, He had is ways; Kinda Like myself, I'm working with responsive stuff and You guys are working with Flex Stuff, I don't believe the he was too fond of jQuery either, but like Oracle mentioned to each his own, and I'm not one to say, for, I don't know that much except what I see being used day by day> and JQueary is very pop att. And I'm trying to learn what I can.

For what he was doing I could not find anything that compared to it, in the line Themes and the way they work, and he did make some plug-ins that work with SMF... let me say that about that!

I have all of his latest stuff to the pub, And I have Customized many of his themes and offer them out, and Did custom jobs for his members. I did not try to say his work was not fresh, it was, just a fresh outlook on things here and there, I feel he was just getting tired of it all lol!

I could be wrong!

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Maxx

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Re: Spirate
« Reply #25, on March 5th, 2013, 08:50 PM »
What for..?

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Re: Spirate
« Reply #26, on March 5th, 2013, 08:57 PM »
Maxx that example that you show here is it coded or its just worked in photoshop (or whatever program you use to edit)?
I formated my pc but i had an ideia, and i made something in photoshop, but my knowledge in coding are pretty low so if you could check it out to see if its possible to implement it in the future?
Re: Spirate
« Reply #27, on March 5th, 2013, 09:27 PM »
@ both, this is just an example of a lay out I drew up in a HTML/WYIWJG then Editor, using HTML5 and CSS3 and as a responsive layout.
This will need to be transformed to the SMF theme to work, can also be made to work with Word Press, and other projects. Just a Template and all things can be changed... so this just a shell.

You can Create this with PS if you like, and I love Graphics, don't get me wrong, but today the coding with tiny images, can replace allot of them. Layout like this can be done also with the Drawplus 4 and 5, I have 4 and it creates nice 3d and victors and page drawings, logos and many other thing to go by or guide you through you process, Drawplus is very cheap compared to PS, I have the CS3 and use it, but find DP4 easier to work with. and they come with get this,  great manuals and stock photo CD.

Sorry I'm get this way off topic!

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maxx

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Re: Spirate
« Reply #28, on March 8th, 2013, 01:55 PM »
Quote from Arantor on March 4th, 2013, 04:51 PM
As far as I know, no action was ever taken.
Actually, we used DCMA and shut them down two years ago... apparently they came back.

Nao

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Re: Spirate
« Reply #29, on March 8th, 2013, 02:47 PM »
Oooh, 'nice of them'... :-/
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