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Re: New coding music :D
« Reply #15, on October 27th, 2011, 11:57 AM »
Quote from Arantor on October 26th, 2011, 03:59 PM
I like a TV show and a film that's interesting to watch, reasonably well paced (I have a lowish boredom factor when it comes to passive entertainment), and is sufficiently deep that there's something for my brain to dig into.
Hmm...
I'd tend to suggest Paranoia Agent.
Try to watch a fansub of it. It's a 13-episode show that could be a good entry point into anime. It's a thriller about a roller-skating boy with a cap who assaults random people with a baseball bat, and people are trying to figure out who he is. It's both weird and deep. Especially from episode 5 on. Has some surrealistic stuff, opportunities to ponder over what's being shown versus what you think you've figured out, etc... I watched the entire show twice and even the second time, I didn't figure it all out. Well, I suppose it's mostly targeted to those who like The Prisoner, things like that ;)
From the same director (who sadly passed away last year from cancer) -- Millennium Actress is an excellent 'romance' movie about an old actress who's reliving her memories under the prism of her major movie roles -- they're intertwined so much that you're not sure whether you're watching reality, or an idealized version of it. And Tokyo Godfathers is a Christmas story about three bums who discover an abandoned baby and decide to take care of her. It's a character-driven comedy/drama. Mostly comedy.

Of course there's always the Ghibli movies to start with... If you want a sense of adventure, there's Laputa (Castle in the sky), or a sense of wonder, go for Kiki's Delivery Service or Howl's Moving Castle. If you want drama, there's Nausicaä or Princess Mononoke. Ghibli's most popular movie is Spirited Away but I'm not a big fan myself. If you like tragedies, best of all is Grave of the Fireflies.

Also in the 'weird surrealistic' area, I could think of Utena, but the main drawback here is that out of the 39 episodes, most are of the 'formulaic' kind, i.e. it's always the same structure, character has a problem, it's analyzed in the first half, then they get to fight, and their problem is solved (or not). Plus it has a soundtrack that could be seen as either genius or pure crap. (I personally love it but I can understand it's not something everyone will like.) Hmm... Probably not a good entry point.
One of my favorite movies is Princess Arete, if Liz ever wants to watch a slightly feminist movie, and you both don't mind with the very quiet pace, it's really great.

Actually, Milady hates Japanese animation in general (with a passion!), but over the years she liked all of the anime I mentioned above (except for Utena which I wouldn't dare to even introduce her to.)

Oh... If you like over-the-top animation/story, you may enjoy Giant Robo: The Animation (1993 or so). Yeah there are giant robots in it, but it's a cult show that pays homage to the old Japanese 60's shows. A labour of love, really. I particularly recommend episodes 4, 5 and 7 (mostly because the first episodes are mostly exposition.)

And Evangelion (1996)... Because it doesn't deliberately choose a retro style, it looks kind of dated by now. They recently made new movies out of it which are high budget and everything, but you may want to wait for a couple more years until they're done with the remakes. Otherwise, well... It's another giant robot show with kid pilots, but this time it's on a Freudian level... Guy has a complex around his father, father is obsessed about reviving his dead wife or something like that, mix it up with tons of esoteric references, trauma, and a share of typically Japanese gags. It's kind of... special. If you manage to get through the first half of the show, which is quite commercial and a bit boring, the second half rewards anyone with a brain. It's basically the first prime-time anime series to show an orgasm off-screen (in episode 20), or have an episode entirely built on intertitles and still images (the very controversial episode 25).

Oh, and Cowboy Bebop... A pretty good jazz/funk soundtrack, stand-alone episodes that allow for casual viewing, mostly a comedy show with action scenes. I'm not a big fan (except of the very Batman TAS-inspired episode 20) but it's one of the best loved shows of its kind.
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Music... really, the music in TV and film doesn't tend to grab me unless it's *seriously memorable* or *seriously epic*. I don't own many film soundtracks, for example. To put in perspective, the film soundtracks I own are: Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade, Flash Gordon, the three Lord of the Rings soundtrack albums, Repo! The Genetic Opera, Labyrinth, and Clerks II.
Interesting, I have none of these soundtracks... :P I do like the LOTR and Repo! stuff though. Can't remember the others. Haven't seen Flash Gordon, but IIRC the OST was made by Queen? Or maybe Georgio Moroder? I seem to remember it had something in common with Moroder's Metropolis soundtrack...
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I have almost more computer game soundtracks than I do film soundtracks.
Probably the case for me too ;)
And still looking... Anything that sounds like the 16-bit era is what I'm seeking after. Not the 8-bit era though... Except if it sounds like a Commodore 64, in which case it's okay :P
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That said, I do have the soundtracks from the first 5 seasons of Doctor Who, because somehow that's actually more memorable to me.
Didn't even know/remember there were OSTs for it...
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It's mostly because they don't do a lot for me, as it were. If the dialogue's good, that's going to keep my attention more than the music is.
I am no good judge for dialogue.
Although I watched 'The Sky Crawlers' this morning (from Mamoru Oshii), and I found it to be really well written. Only problem is, the story wasn't so great... (Well, I'm not a big fan of depressing movies with no encouraging ending :P) One of Kenji Kawai's best soundtracks though (along with Patlabor 2), if you like minimalism. I have a feeling you don't, though!
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Musically I tend to favour rock, not-so-heavy metal and stuff like that. My playlist is primarily Queen, Meat Loaf, Iron Maiden, Nightwish and Murray Gold(!) with interludes from Bon Jovi, ABBA(!!), David Bowie, Aerosmith and stuff like that, plus whatever I happen to find of interest on YouTube.
Bowie = which era? Well, he's done everything so it's worth asking... ;)
ABBA is great, just like A-HA. Gotta love old Scandinavian pop. Anyone who says otherwise is lying! Ahah.

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Re: New coding music :D
« Reply #16, on October 27th, 2011, 05:48 PM »
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I'd tend to suggest Paranoia Agent.
Try to watch a fansub of it. It's a 13-episode show that could be a good entry point into anime. It's a thriller about a roller-skating boy with a cap who assaults random people with a baseball bat, and people are trying to figure out who he is. It's both weird and deep. Especially from episode 5 on. Has some surrealistic stuff, opportunities to ponder over what's being shown versus what you think you've figured out, etc... I watched the entire show twice and even the second time, I didn't figure it all out. Well, I suppose it's mostly targeted to those who like The Prisoner, things like that
That sounds odd, and while I'm curious, I'm not sure that I'm curious enough yet about it, the theme doesn't seem like the sort of thing I'd watch normally, but I'll see if I can find it (and find time to watch it)
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From the same director (who sadly passed away last year from cancer) -- Millennium Actress is an excellent 'romance' movie about an old actress who's reliving her memories under the prism of her major movie roles -- they're intertwined so much that you're not sure whether you're watching reality, or an idealized version of it. And Tokyo Godfathers is a Christmas story about three bums who discover an abandoned baby and decide to take care of her. It's a character-driven comedy/drama. Mostly comedy.
Not so hot on romance stories. To put it into context, I can sit and watch Dirty Dancing and Love Actually and not cringe at them, but romance isn't my thing.

I quite like comedy, though, to the point where if I look back at the last half dozen films I've watched, they're all comedy films, so that might be worth trying to find. For context, my all time favourite movie, still unbeaten since I first saw it a decade ago, is Dogma by Kevin Smith. Musically it's nothing special but comedically - and thought-provokingly - I haven't beaten it.
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Of course there's always the Ghibli movies to start with... If you want a sense of adventure, there's Laputa (Castle in the sky), or a sense of wonder, go for Kiki's Delivery Service or Howl's Moving Castle. If you want drama, there's Nausicaä or Princess Mononoke. Ghibli's most popular movie is Spirited Away but I'm not a big fan myself. If you like tragedies, best of all is Grave of the Fireflies.
Adventure is good, and drama is appreciated but not in excess. That's why, for example, I much preferred DW series 5 to 4, because the sense of adventure seemed greater, with some beautiful moments of drama and less of the angst that Tennant got to carry over his tenure.
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Also in the 'weird surrealistic' area, I could think of Utena, but the main drawback here is that out of the 39 episodes, most are of the 'formulaic' kind, i.e. it's always the same structure, character has a problem, it's analyzed in the first half, then they get to fight, and their problem is solved (or not). Plus it has a soundtrack that could be seen as either genius or pure crap. (I personally love it but I can understand it's not something everyone will like.) Hmm... Probably not a good entry point.
Sounds like the Rocky movies, all of which I have passed on so far.
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Oh... If you like over-the-top animation/story, you may enjoy Giant Robo: The Animation (1993 or so). Yeah there are giant robots in it, but it's a cult show that pays homage to the old Japanese 60's shows. A labour of love, really. I particularly recommend episodes 4, 5 and 7 (mostly because the first episodes are mostly exposition.)
Ah, now this sounds more like my kind of entertainment. I'm a sucker for giant robot stories.
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And Evangelion (1996)... Because it doesn't deliberately choose a retro style, it looks kind of dated by now. They recently made new movies out of it which are high budget and everything, but you may want to wait for a couple more years until they're done with the remakes.
I'm actually not bothered by looking dated. I still regularly rewatch the original Clash of the Titans and the original film of Jason and the Argonauts (both of which feature the work of Ray Harryhausen, and despite being 30 and 50 years old respectively, they have dated surprisingly well)
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Otherwise, well... It's another giant robot show with kid pilots, but this time it's on a Freudian level... Guy has a complex around his father, father is obsessed about reviving his dead wife or something like that, mix it up with tons of esoteric references, trauma, and a share of typically Japanese gags. It's kind of... special. If you manage to get through the first half of the show, which is quite commercial and a bit boring, the second half rewards anyone with a brain. It's basically the first prime-time anime series to show an orgasm off-screen (in episode 20), or have an episode entirely built on intertitles and still images (the very controversial episode 25).
Intriguing. Might be worth trying to get that, then.
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Oh, and Cowboy Bebop... A pretty good jazz/funk soundtrack, stand-alone episodes that allow for casual viewing, mostly a comedy show with action scenes. I'm not a big fan (except of the very Batman TAS-inspired episode 20) but it's one of the best loved shows of its kind.
My kind of show then... hmm.
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Interesting, I have none of these soundtracks...  I do like the LOTR and Repo! stuff though. Can't remember the others. Haven't seen Flash Gordon, but IIRC the OST was made by Queen? Or maybe Georgio Moroder? I seem to remember it had something in common with Moroder's Metropolis soundtrack...
Well, I blame Lego Indiana Jones for making me realise how awesome Last Crusade's soundtrack was. As noted in the booklet, John Williams didn't look for ways to 'hook' the classic riff into the soundtrack - beyond the title sequence, the infamous 'Indy Theme' barely gets a look in, but the whole thing still has the feel anyway, and I find most interestingly that the Grail Theme is uncannily echoed by the underlying theme in LotR: Fellowship of the Ring.

Labyrinth... David Bowie. Need I say any more.

And yes, Queen did write the OST for Flash Gordon. It's campy, cheesy and over the top, just like the film. Interestingly though quite a few pieces of the film dialogue are in the soundtrack album.
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And still looking... Anything that sounds like the 16-bit era is what I'm seeking after. Not the 8-bit era though... Except if it sounds like a Commodore 64, in which case it's okay
I'm actually not that fussy. I grew up playing with a Spectrum and have fond memories of programming sound on that. Though I also have the soundtracks to things like Bastion which are regal and majestic and full of richness.
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Didn't even know/remember there were OSTs for it...
There's an album for series 1 & 2 combined, plus an album each for series 3 and 4, plus double albums for the specials and for series 5. Don't know about series 6 yet though.
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I am no good judge for dialogue.
Although I watched 'The Sky Crawlers' this morning (from Mamoru Oshii), and I found it to be really well written. Only problem is, the story wasn't so great... (Well, I'm not a big fan of depressing movies with no encouraging ending ) One of Kenji Kawai's best soundtracks though (along with Patlabor 2), if you like minimalism. I have a feeling you don't, though!
Nah, I'm not a fan of minimalism, it tends to not leave enough scope for my imagination. My brain is wired for certain kinds of pattern recognition - spelling it out blatantly doesn't leave enough for me to play with and not giving me too much to work with just leaves me waiting for more.[1]
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Bowie = which era?
There's just a Best Of album of sorts on here, so it has a bit of a range.
 1. Incidentally, several adventure games, both text and graphical, leave me with the same feeling. Just dumping me in the middle of somewhere and expecting me to find my way to a goal isn't going to work so well, whereas with the likes of the LucasArts games, I had a defined quest pretty early on and everything was geared to solving that.
Re: New coding music :D
« Reply #17, on October 29th, 2011, 12:10 AM »
In other news, found album I haven't listened to in far too long. Auracle by Lesiem.

It's a bit special, it has a New Age feel to it but with a rock type edge to it in places, written by a German band with lyrics in both English and Latin (most of the tracks have a Latin name with the English in brackets)

Here's the opening track which sets the mood for the album.


Lesiem - Humilitas with lyrics
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