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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #30, on April 9th, 2011, 10:43 PM »
Quote from CJ Jackson on April 9th, 2011, 07:13 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 9th, 2011, 08:22 AM
No efforts, no gain.
The politically incorrect term to that is "No Pain, No Gain" and sound better because it's rhymes.
Yeah, I'd forgotten the exact English version ;)
Posted: April 9th, 2011, 10:03 PM

Btw I'm very appreciative of anyone taking time to fix my English. I'm an avid learner and I strive for perfection.

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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #31, on April 10th, 2011, 12:11 AM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 9th, 2011, 10:43 PM
Yeah, I'd forgotten the exact English version ;)
Posted: April 9th, 2011, 10:03 PM

Btw I'm very appreciative of anyone taking time to fix my English. I'm an avid learner and I strive for perfection.
Your welcome  ;)

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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #32, on April 10th, 2011, 01:01 AM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 9th, 2011, 10:43 PM
Btw I'm very appreciative of anyone taking time to fix my English. I'm an avid learner and I strive for perfection.
Me too... :)
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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #34, on April 10th, 2011, 01:15 AM »
Quote from Aaron on April 10th, 2011, 01:06 AM
Quote from CJ Jackson on April 10th, 2011, 12:11 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 9th, 2011, 10:43 PM
Btw I'm very appreciative of anyone taking time to fix my English. I'm an avid learner and I strive for perfection.
Your welcome  ;)
Ah, the irony. ;)
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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #35, on April 10th, 2011, 02:28 AM »
Blah, they couldn't even spell "Honour" properly, they always miss the "U" out. What a bunch of twat!

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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #36, on April 10th, 2011, 02:31 AM »
Quote from CJ Jackson on April 10th, 2011, 02:28 AM
Blah, they couldn't even spell "Honour" properly, they always miss the "U" out. What a bunch of twat!
That's how they spell it over there, apparently. It's as though they changed it just to spite us!

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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #37, on April 10th, 2011, 02:54 AM »
And to top it off, the proper British spelling is unknown to many Americans, tire not tyre; color not colour, customize not customisee; things like that.
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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #38, on April 10th, 2011, 02:55 AM »
I blame Microsoft for perpetrating the myth that there's such a thing as US English :P

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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #40, on April 10th, 2011, 05:51 PM »
Im not sure how to respond to this. Arantor and Nao are by far the perfect examples of what, we here in the states, would describe as arrogant europeans. Too many times now ive made statements that were placed at an insignificant level. I ask for assistance in converting a sql statement to check a couple things and decide what record to bring, and i still havent heard mention of it since. I aint the greatest at sql or css. So i ask for help with one and offer to pay for the other. The communities around smf and wedge dont have time for me. I dont have years of programming experience, cause my son was conceived right before the end. I had to go to work to provide for him. That does not mean that i gave up on it since the 7 semesters i spent in school. When my classmates where partying, id be getting my jollies off a php/mysql server that i built from scratch, box and all, mandrake linux lol. I was building a shopping cart from scratch. Lost all my work later on from a HD crash. :( i could show you all the code i wrote for myfewclicks.com, but almost certainly, yall would look down upon it, thinking that it be insignificant. Im also working on a custom ads platform to work with the region code. Impressions, clicks, and region specific ads. Which im sure from yalls experience is very minor work. The entire purpose of me being here is to learn. And i have been no more harsh than you chose to be. If only i did have more time. I come from a unique perspective. And at this point, once my website can produce enough income where i can focus on my real work, i will prove my worth and my theories. Ill prolly fork wedge, cause i know yall have made leaps and bounds from smf, but with my clean slate and the improvements yall have made, ill write a fork specific for my website. But many of the things that ill do, youll also do. Not cause im better than you, but cause i dont have the closed mind that experience sometimes creates. You do something for a while and your mind creates routines. I dont have those constraints.
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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #41, on April 10th, 2011, 06:01 PM »
1/ You may learn, but we don't teach.
2/ You may fork, but only for your own website, unless we go BSD.
3/ You may compare against us, but keep it for yourself. We're not competing against each other, we're not trying to determine who's best at something. We just do our best, period.

All I had to add...

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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #42, on April 10th, 2011, 06:12 PM »
Every idea is fresh and clean for me, and all i see is possibilities. I cant remember the name of the game, but its based on chess, you move a knight around the table with the standard 2 and 1 move pattern without hitting the same square twice, but hitting them all. We were writing VB code. I used an intrinsic loop on picture box click events, where my buddy used a different method. His code worked just as good, but it looked totally different. I saw the answer that i wrote in a mental picture when the professor issued the assignment. I could just see it already written. That is the same as any other code i write. I write code by the picture i create in my mind. I cant explain it. I havent wrote a single line of code in an editor for my ads system. Yet the code already exsists in logic in my mind. When i said $context = new wedge(); i visuallized the entire platform running in class constructors with all the different sub classes, boardindex, adminpanel, calendar, etc. How easy it would be to substitue a function in that world. How easy it would be to mod that world. I am not above you, but i am beside you. Maybe all this is language barriers or cultural differences, or maybe im excentric or an asshole, but i can assure you, respecting me as much as i respect you, can only benefit you, and me as well. I may not be your equal in practice, but make no mistake, i am you equal in logic and theory. Men like me need men like you to check us and keep us grounded, and actually bring to life, grand things. I may never could write the code you can, but i damn sure can challenge you to see a different point of view.

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Re: Texasmans Programming Blog
« Reply #44, on April 10th, 2011, 07:09 PM »
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Too many times now ive made statements that were placed at an insignificant level. I ask for assistance in converting a sql statement to check a couple things and decide what record to bring, and i still havent heard mention of it since.
You want to accuse me of being an arrogant European? Yes, I'm arrogant at times. Usually it's because I end up bring proved right so often. Now you're condemning me because I have neither the time nor inclination to sit and write your code for you and that it's also my fault that NO-ONE ELSE IS. How the fuck does that work?
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The communities around smf and wedge dont have time for me
I can't speak for the other dozens of members here or the thousands of members on sm.org, but you're expecting people to help you in a specialist situation and most of those who do have the skill don't have the time.

This question I ask everyone here: which would you rather I do? Spend an hour going through code for one person, or spend an hour designing/planning/building something that benefits a lot of people? I only have so many hours in the day, and I have to make a hard choice as to what I put my time into. Selfishness doesn't even come in to it - you want to suggest I'm selfish?! Look at yourself first.
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And i have been no more harsh than you chose to be
No, you started out by telling us how we should be doing things without considering for a moment that maybe, just maybe, we were already planning to do it that way and hadn't finished rewriting the other thousands and thousands of lines that need to be modified to make it happen.
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Ill prolly fork wedge, cause i know yall have made leaps and bounds from smf, but with my clean slate and the improvements yall have made, ill write a fork specific for my website
Go nuts, provided you're keeping to the licence. Prove that you're so much better than we are at it, since you obviously think we can't possibly bring anything of value to the table.

Tell you what, I'm tempted to give you the code right now. Not commit access, mind, but the ability to read it and see if you can actually put your money where your mouth is. Maybe it'll shut your whining up.
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Every idea is fresh and clean for me, and all i see is possibilities
Except you don't bother to see if we'd considered them and instead proceed to tell us that's how we should do it like we're little kids and clearly not up to your level. You said that you treated us like equals. Equals do not talk down to people, you did, more than once.
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When i said $context = new wedge(); i visuallized the entire platform running in class constructors with all the different sub classes, boardindex, adminpanel, calendar, etc. How easy it would be to substitue a function in that world.
It doesn't work like that in PHP. The entire platform cannot be in class constructors because it actually makes it harder, not easier, to achieve things then.
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Maybe all this is language barriers or cultural differences, or maybe im excentric or an asshole, but i can assure you, respecting me as much as i respect you, can only benefit you, and me as well.
If you respect me, why have you more than once felt the need to explain concepts to me as though I've not been programming for most of a decade?
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I may never could write the code you can, but i damn sure can challenge you to see a different point of view.
Read and inwardly digest, then come back and tell me about different points of view.