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Nao
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Today I am torn between what I LIKE to do and what I am doing now. I have an overwhelming urge to tip everything SMF overboard and start using Wedge exclusively.
The bits Nao and Arantor have shown so far, on how templates work, convinced me that Wedge is becoming every bit SMF should have been. And SMF is going nowhere, SMF theme community is going nowhere as well. Thats a FACT.
Problem is - I can't yet can I? Use Wedge on Blocweb I mean, and start developing themes for it? License changes and all that?
Technically, any member of our team (and you're definitely a teamie!) can use Wedge on their website -- it's not redistribution, because it's within the team, all done privately. I can lend you my DVDs, no one can accuse you of pirating them. The only issue is with our demo site -- it's not something we want to reveal right now. First we'll start with screenshots, then the demo site, then the actual alpha version. Having Wedge used officially somewhere would disrupt these plans, although I suspect that Pete would appreciate being able to use it on Innovatenotimitate as well. (I'll be left unable to run it because it's still missing AeMe and other things I need, but that's not a problem except for my over-inflated ego :niark:)
When it comes to the legality of having a live website running Wedge, I'm not in the best position to answer. The current SVN of Wedge gives full credit to SMF in the footer, so I suspect it's legal to use it, as long as you don't distribute it. Which brings us to developing themes -- you would have to wait until SMF goes gold before you can actually distribute those themes.
Mind you, I'll prob. ditch SMF anyway, put up a WP blog in the meantime and await Wedge to be released. Nothing to lose anyway.
Did you have a look at the Miscellany topic? I'm discussing blocks over there in the last page. Also, did you update to the latest SVN? Wine is in a state closer to final now (it may even be complete, I dunno.)
Plenty of things to look into!
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The official legal position on using it on a live site: it's fine if you're a "team member" since that's not redistribution, but would have to replace the version number with SMF 2.0 (Wedge) or similar. Even that is a little grey, strictly speaking, since the theme_copyright() function doesn't exist the way it does in SMF, which means strictly speaking it violates the licence but provided that the copyright is output it complies with the wording of the licence if not the meaning of it.Quote Actually, you wouldn't. Themes and mods have a specific exemption in the licence for this purpose (in fact, it's arguable that the exemption for mods and themes diminishes the power of the licence anyway, but that's another story) so you would be able to distribute a mod or theme, if they worked...
Which brings us to developing themes -- you would have to wait until SMF goes gold before you can actually distribute those themes.
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Nao
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The official legal position on using it on a live site: it's fine if you're a "team member" since that's not redistribution, but would have to replace the version number with SMF 2.0 (Wedge) or similar.
It's not REALLY a SMF at this point, frankly...
Actually, you wouldn't. Themes and mods have a specific exemption in the licence for this purpose (in fact, it's arguable that the exemption for mods and themes diminishes the power of the licence anyway, but that's another story) so you would be able to distribute a mod or theme, if they worked...
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Currently it basically says "Powered by Wedge (SMF 2.0)", is it any different...?
But what makes even more sense, is that there's no point in distributing themes for Wedge until Wedge can itself be redistributed
Nao
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Nao, I plan to stay and contribute what I can here. :)
I appreciate that, thank you. I remember I was quite upset when you first came in and you quickly posted that you weren't sure whether it was the forum package for you ;)
In the meantime I rewrote so much of the template/theming system... Then you came in and said my styling system would encourage making copies of the default theme IIRC... I wasn't sure where to go to keep your interest up :lol:
I already have some experience in it, perhaps be able to point out any mishaps in Wedge too.
So my plan is more or less to keep the existing SMF themes for dl for the time being, but develop purely for Wedge. By that I mean for the free community initially - just like i did in the early days of SMF. I really miss those days. :)
Ok..as I understand then I *could* start using Wedge on Blocweb - but not show the copyright as Wedge...?
Would it be ok to let people know about the change..or do you rather I wait on that in the case I was to use it?
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Apparently, you'll just have to edit the index.language.php files to say SMF (Wedge) instead of Wedge (SMF).
1.a) All copyright notices within source files and as generated by the Software as output are retained, unchanged.
2.a) A Modification must not alter or remove any copyright notices in the Software or Package, generated or otherwise.
Nothing in the letter of the licence requires you to keep that function. All it requires is that the copyright notice is output in the same format it was originally.
So, yes, that's all you have to do, or at the very least update $forum_version to that effect.
Nao
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Yes, Nao, I'll admit I been a bit..difficult lol - attribute some of that to the growing irritation over the themeing community/environment/development in SMF. Its been a downward spiral, as so many other things in SMF, and I guess I tended to overreact sometimes. (prob. won't be the last time either,
Ok, private it is then. I know this board is readable by public, that was the plan. And if someone thinks its a aprils joke, it most certainly is NOT.