Masterd

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Re: Hi all!
« Reply #60, on March 31st, 2011, 10:56 AM »
About 1:1000000?

Nao

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Re: Hi all!
« Reply #61, on March 31st, 2011, 10:57 AM »
(I shouldn't have merged my two posts above... Now I can't split this conversation into a new topic.)
Quote from texasman1979 on March 30th, 2011, 09:11 PM
The only thing i can think of is a static template system or using mysql for non standard caching of pages. Which my forum blocks content is stored html and all for the sole purpose of echoing a record instead of processing a page.
There's no magical solution for static pages.
Or you could use Templeet (http://templeet.org), I built Cynagames.com around it back in 2003 or 2004 (even made my own forum using it at the time). Of course I ended up replacing the forum with SMF, because in the end it's too hard to maintain static pages out of dynamic contents. You basically can't store anything personal, or you'd have to cache every single goddamn page for a few seconds -- that would kill the file system for close to no gains.
Obviously, Apache fares better at showing static pages, but it's only useful if you have a very slow server and/or many hits. Otherwise, you might as well use PHP. If you have so many hits that you'd need a server upgrade, you probably should upgrade it really.

As for improving performance in comparison with SMF, yes, Wedge is faster in some areas (apparent speed on page load, no more PHP4/MySQL3 support, optimized markup, and many other things.)
And slower in others, e.g. jQuery or object encapsulation (it's slower by a few percents).
Basically, we're making sure that it's faster where it matters, and that if it has to be slower, it's for the benefit of everyone (e.g. cleaner code. It will be especially apparent in our smcFunc replacement, new BBC system and a powerful CSS preprocessor written from scratch.)
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It seems to be very fast, especially when i take out line breaks and other unnecesary characters, and mysql has built in memcaching along with memcached.
Just enable caching in SMF... Level 3 is the highest IIRC. It should cache so many things.
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Like i say, i have no doubt ill be thuroughly impressed with yalls work. So hurry up with the beta already. :)
Tell that to SMF. As we said multiple times, we can't release a single byte of code to the public without SMF going BSD first.
Perhaps going public was our way of reminding everyone that if we're not releasing yet, it's not for lack of a releasable product.
Re: Hi all!
« Reply #62, on March 31st, 2011, 11:00 AM »
Quote from Masterd on March 31st, 2011, 10:55 AM
I still hope that something will happen today.
Well, technically something big happened at the end of this month -- only it happened at wedge.org, not at sm.org :P

Masterd

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Re: Hi all!
« Reply #63, on March 31st, 2011, 11:03 AM »
That' not a big thing. That's a huge thing.

Artur

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Re: Hi all!
« Reply #64, on March 31st, 2011, 02:35 PM »
Hello at all :)

I'm the person with the same nick on noisen  :whistle:

Nao

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Re: Hi all!
« Reply #65, on March 31st, 2011, 02:46 PM »
I got that :eheh:

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Re: Hi all!
« Reply #66, on March 31st, 2011, 02:52 PM »
And which license will wedge have?

Arantor

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Re: Hi all!
« Reply #67, on March 31st, 2011, 03:07 PM »
Initially, it will use a modified form of SMF's original licence; the idea being to protect Wedge's code from being reused by parties we would prefer it wasn't used by. I think you can guess who I'm referring to.

After that... there's no fixed plan but moving to BSD was the goal, I believe, or possibly LGPL. Nothing firm, nothing decided.
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Re: Hi all!
« Reply #68, on March 31st, 2011, 03:33 PM »
As Pete said.

Alpha and Beta sessions: Wedge license (i.e. current SMF license, + one extra clause for some people)

1.0 Gold: Wedge license, or BSD, or LGPL (depending on feedback, and our own experiences during the alpha/beta, and really the spur of the moment.)

Even if we release 1.0 under the Wedge license, we will still keep considering BSD and LGPL for any further major releases. It is our intention to always keep an eye on a possible BSD/LGPL switch. As long as it's not GPL really. And we'll make sure that any further developers we 'hire' is made aware of the potential license change.