You could also reword it to "Hide users' signatures" if you don't want to touch existing code much, if course.
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I was strongly contemplating actually rewording all the relevant options, because I'd rather have a saner UI that's 'correct' and have the code support that, rather than fudge it.
While 'Hide' is better than 'Don't show', it's still a sort of negative action - yes, in that context means to not do something. I'd much rather have 'yes' mean 'do that'.
While 'Hide' is better than 'Don't show', it's still a sort of negative action - yes, in that context means to not do something. I'd much rather have 'yes' mean 'do that'.
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No offence but it seems like a lot of talk for just a detail. ;)
We have a word in French for all of this.
Branlette intellectuelle. I'll let you look it up. :P
We have a word in French for all of this.
Branlette intellectuelle. I'll let you look it up. :P
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No offence but it seems like a lot of talk for just a detail.
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I didn't explain properly.
The label "Don't show users' signatures" = "No"
could be changed to
"Show users' signatures" = "Yes"
Of course he might not mean that at all :D
as it is now - "Don't show users avatars - default = no"
could be written as "Show users avatars - default = no "
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<br /><br />cough, cough.Nao
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Or "hide avatars"?
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Or "hide avatars"?
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If you reword it to 'Hide avatars', it's still a double negative!
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Really?
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Yup. Don't show = hide, either way, it's getting a 'yes' to mean 'not to do something'. Would be far more logical to have it be 'Show' where yes means to do so.
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Adding "?" should fix the problem.
"Hide user avatars?" yes/no
"Display user signatures?" yes/no
etc...
"Hide user avatars?" yes/no
"Display user signatures?" yes/no
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Ah, but having the ? doesn't change the fact that the answer to the question is the opposite of what the terms usually mean.
Show = do something = positive assertion
Hide = don't do something = negative assertion
Having a positive assertion be a yes/no makes sense, having a negative assertion be yes/no is far more complicated for us to process.
Show = do something = positive assertion
Hide = don't do something = negative assertion
Having a positive assertion be a yes/no makes sense, having a negative assertion be yes/no is far more complicated for us to process.
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When I hide my ass during a gun shoot, it's definitely a positive assertion. :eheh:
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But then in the same context show would mean do not hide ( :P I'm just being overly technical)
Quote from Nao on March 7th, 2012, 01:29 PM True enough :lol:
Posted: March 7th, 2012, 01:31 PM
When I hide my ass during a gun shoot, it's definitely a positive assertion. :eheh:
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Agreed on the removing double negatives, UI controls really shouldn't force the person to decipher what they mean prior to using. They should be naturally intuitive and immediately evident.
As a forum Admin who doesn't spend all his time administrating forums smoothing out these sorts of things really will make a big difference in the resulting experience, particularly when compared to SMF.
Now, saying that and then actually going through all of the options to determine where double-negatives exist are two different things (mostly due to the sheer volume of options and screens and what not).
As a forum Admin who doesn't spend all his time administrating forums smoothing out these sorts of things really will make a big difference in the resulting experience, particularly when compared to SMF.
Now, saying that and then actually going through all of the options to determine where double-negatives exist are two different things (mostly due to the sheer volume of options and screens and what not).