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spoogs

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Re: Viewing IP addresses and banning
« Reply #15, on December 17th, 2012, 08:45 PM »
Oh they indeed prevented logins.

You could get rather creative with it. The site i speak of just issued points with warnings up to say 10 points after which you were suspended for x number of days each warning issued the points would expire after so many days but if you racked up 20 within a certain number of days you'd be permanently banned.

You could set a list of infractions for example Spamming = 1 point, Trolling = 2 points etc.  And it all goes from there. I'll admit its one of the few things i prefered on vb to SMF, well that and the reports board some folks wanted but meh.
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Arantor

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Re: Viewing IP addresses and banning
« Reply #16, on December 17th, 2012, 09:03 PM »
Well, I do plan to make it possible to rack up points with warnings (not exactly %, but certain some kind of cumulative system) - but more importantly, the admin can define certain kinds of warnings and define punishments related to those warnings.

I plan, for example, to make it possible to have a 'bad signature' warning, which allows the signature to be hidden from regular users for a day or so. Or trolling could earn a couple of other interesting punishments I have in mind ;)
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Re: Viewing IP addresses and banning
« Reply #18, on December 29th, 2012, 11:06 AM »Last edited on December 29th, 2012, 11:13 AM
I can not think of a situation where I should be allowed to see password and not be able to ban, unless whatever a user do on the forum will affect them outside of a wedge forum.

What do you mean by support topics? That sounds a bit ambiguous.

On the topic of banning, can there be a "switch" that describes what type of ban was created? What I mean is.. The ability to ip ban without seeing ip.

Would work like this:
1. You are a mod who can ban, but not see IP.
2. You see an offending message, or a user submitting report of an offense. Attached to the report or offending message is an ip you can not see. It would have have an option to numeric IP ban or domain ban.
3. This will appear differently depending on whether you are allowed to see ip, or not within the Ban UI.
  • If you can see ip, the ban will simply just appear on the list usual.
  • If you can not see ip, it will appear on the ban UI, hiding the ip and informing you the type of ban made from which kind of user submitted content(extremely brief).
4. A moderator like that can only remove ban if it does have the switch that describes it being a ban created by a user who can not see IP.

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Arantor

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Re: Viewing IP addresses and banning
« Reply #19, on December 29th, 2012, 01:03 PM »
-sigh- I wouldn't mind but all this was pretty much covered in the very first post.

But for those playing along at home, let's run through the logic.

All of this debate hinges on the point that moderators could be able to ban without being able to see IP addresses.

If you can't see an IP address, you should not be allowed to do IP bans for the simple reason that you are very likely going to ban someone you shouldn't. And giving IP ban powers to someone who can't see who they're shooting down with them is just plain daft. And any measures that involve allowing users to see who would be affected by a ban are also privacy encroaching (and thus defy the point of hiding IP addresses in the first place)

Which leads back to the original point in the original post: if you can ban, you should be able to see IP addresses because there is no legitimate time as far as I can see where you need to be able to see IP addresses and not be able to ban, and anything else just convolutes the process.

Remember: if I'm having trouble getting this fairly simple point across now, imagine what's going to happen when you come to it in 6 months and wonder who can see IP addresses, in a support topic.

Powerbob

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Re: Viewing IP addresses and banning
« Reply #20, on December 30th, 2012, 08:32 AM »
Quote from Arantor on December 29th, 2012, 01:03 PM
-sigh- I wouldn't mind but all this was pretty much covered in the very first post.

But for those playing along at home, let's run through the logic.

All of this debate hinges on the point that moderators could be able to ban without being able to see IP addresses.

If you can't see an IP address, you should not be allowed to do IP bans for the simple reason that you are very likely going to ban someone you shouldn't. And giving IP ban powers to someone who can't see who they're shooting down with them is just plain daft. And any measures that involve allowing users to see who would be affected by a ban are also privacy encroaching (and thus defy the point of hiding IP addresses in the first place)

Which leads back to the original point in the original post: if you can ban, you should be able to see IP addresses because there is no legitimate time as far as I can see where you need to be able to see IP addresses and not be able to ban, and anything else just convolutes the process.

Remember: if I'm having trouble getting this fairly simple point across now, imagine what's going to happen when you come to it in 6 months and wonder who can see IP addresses, in a support topic.
Seems perfectly clear to me.
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Re: Viewing IP addresses and banning
« Reply #21, on December 31st, 2012, 03:00 AM »
r1812 applied this; you now need manage_bans permission to be able to see IP addresses. If you don't have permission, the IP address just doesn't get shown - not even your own. There's just no need for it.
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