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Arantor

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Re: About SMF and this project
« Reply #15, on November 5th, 2012, 07:34 PM »
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Oh yes... It is indeed a form of protectionism, no argument with that at all. It was intended to be so... (and also to encourage people who are forking to use an truly open license. :) ) Although I would not agree that we're as bad as Linux is about it... lol
I never said you were, that's your interpretation. I said it was the same mentality, not that you had the same level of insanity :P
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I saw the same was pretty new...   and I wasn't even commenting on the complaints in the system... I was complaining about the site itself.
1- I can't register. It gives me a database error when I try
2- there is no option to contact the admin to notify him of 1.
3- I am unimpressed with the organization of the site...
WordPress sucks anyway.
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Kindred

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Re: About SMF and this project
« Reply #16, on November 5th, 2012, 09:29 PM »
yeah... it mostly does.  Although I am actually using it on three sites, I am not happy and would be thrilled to find something better for the user we're making of it.

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Re: About SMF and this project
« Reply #17, on November 5th, 2012, 10:46 PM »Last edited on November 5th, 2012, 11:35 PM
Quote from Kindred on November 5th, 2012, 05:26 PM
Anthony,
you give the general public too much credit.
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Let's face it, the web is obviously alot more dynamic nowadays, and if people didn't want these things, they wouldn't be used so much.
As someone who is involved in the web for business, I disagree with this statement 110%. People have no idea what they "want" except what they are TOLD they should want...   dealing with marketing and sales folks, I am continually telling them "NO! I don't care what you think you heard on Jimmy Kimmel...(or whatever show they thought told them that something was 'popular'.) "

People want them because they are used... and then others follow the "trend" no matter how stupid it is.
They are not (in general) used because people want them.
So people don't want more engaging, dynamic effects on a webpage? I personally find that hard to believe because it seriously is alot more interactive than a boring static page. :P Facebook and Twitter for example is highly dynamic, just imagine them without all their "Javascript-spiced" features. You would have to keep refreshing your Twitter page to see new tweets. I don't work for the web, heck I'm a kid in highschool, but I can already see people want more of these things - and this also includes the "instant" effect because refreshing a page to see if there is new content is too much.

I'm not saying make a forum one big AJAX application (not just AJAX but effects-wise as well), but it would probably help, atleast in my opinion, if a forum was a little more dynamic than what some forum software is like now.

As a matter of fact, Wedge is doing this already. It is pretty modern interactively, but it's also built more like that way (code-wise such as utilizing more modern CSS and Javascript). It's even on the front page! :)
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Kindred

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Re: About SMF and this project
« Reply #18, on November 6th, 2012, 03:05 PM »
Oh, you won't get any disagreement from me about what wedge has done. I am impressed and in favor of most of the stuff done here. I just thing that you are wrong about all those bells and whistles.  Content is what matters, in the end. I go to a site or a page to read what is there...

Back in the 80s and 90s, some people decided, like you, that bells and whistles and animation and moving bits, etc were good.  Those pages were trash... Absolute trash.

In the end, while a pretty site may get visitors, only a site with good content will keep them..., regardless of the "flashiness" of the site.
(and btw, I despise all the crap that Facebook forces on us)

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Re: About SMF and this project
« Reply #19, on November 6th, 2012, 10:54 PM »
Quote from Kindred on November 6th, 2012, 03:05 PM
Oh, you won't get any disagreement from me about what wedge has done. I am impressed and in favor of most of the stuff done here. I just thing that you are wrong about all those bells and whistles.  Content is what matters, in the end. I go to a site or a page to read what is there...

Back in the 80s and 90s, some people decided, like you, that bells and whistles and animation and moving bits, etc were good.  Those pages were trash... Absolute trash.

In the end, while a pretty site may get visitors, only a site with good content will keep them..., regardless of the "flashiness" of the site.
(and btw, I despise all the crap that Facebook forces on us)
I won't argue that content is king because it is. And I've seen some of the stuff produced in the 90s that don't look very good, that isn't what I'm aiming at.

Let me reiterate my argument: "Bells and whistles" aren't what makes a forum successful, but when a user is viewing a forum, they don't want to see a boring site that looks like it is nowhere near as modernized as it should be. It's like a nice looking theme, it isn't necessary at all, but it makes a difference in terms of the overall perspective of the forum.

Kindred

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Re: About SMF and this project
« Reply #20, on November 7th, 2012, 06:17 PM »
we'll have to agree to disagree on what makes a forum/site interesting or "modernized". :)

Arantor

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Re: About SMF and this project
« Reply #21, on November 7th, 2012, 06:30 PM »
SMF (and to a lesser degree Wedge) could use some sprucing up, though, it shouldn't need to take complete page loads to make things happen when you can send it through AJAX. The trick is to not do it with everything but where it would help things flow. And there are places where this would benefit.

I hate to say it, but IPB's user experience is actually smoother, for the most part.

Kindred

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Re: About SMF and this project
« Reply #22, on November 8th, 2012, 01:55 AM »
Oh, I never said that SMF couldn't do with some tweaks and updates...   just that I don't think those are the be-all and end-all. :P
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