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Re: I Have To Be The First To Ask
« Reply #15, on March 29th, 2011, 11:20 PM »
Quote from garou on March 29th, 2011, 07:32 PM
I think one of the best things that will make this a success is that while Nao and Arantor are keeping the future community in mind for this project, it's first and for most for their own purposes. The have said elsewhere, if no one else ever uses it they'd be fine with that. I think that gives it an edge over most other projects out there.
Most of the time, motivation comes through a payroll... Well, it's out of the question here so it's really all about passion (and ego, but we can manage. I think.) And Pete and I are known to be very obstinate!
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All to often projects like these get bogged down by community and committees (a big part of whats slowing SMF down at the moment IMHO). This isnt about what does everyone else want, its about what I, err I mean, they (Nao and Arantor) want out of it. Incidentally what they want out of it is what many of us in the SMF community have been looking for, for a long time.
Such a long time, yes. It was long overdue when we started work on Wedge -- but at the time, the license change was only a new concept in SMF's mind and it opened the door to forks. Well, I don't know how many forks will come out of it, maybe Wedge will be the 'definitive' one.
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Quote from DoctorMalboro on March 29th, 2011, 11:00 PM
One thing that would be interesting is a list of coding features. I mean, not the core features, but the things that allow you to (as a themer o modder) make your work even easier and clean as possible.
Modders won't get a lot of new features in the current implementation. Themers, though, will have a lot of fun. (Or they'll curse me for daring change everything in SMF's theme system, I don't know.)

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Re: I Have To Be The First To Ask
« Reply #16, on March 29th, 2011, 11:31 PM »
Oh, modders will get features but they won't be able to get them through theme edits so much, there are better ways.
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Re: I Have To Be The First To Ask
« Reply #17, on March 29th, 2011, 11:32 PM »
So even a hot stud like myself can code in wedge without wanting to rape a koala?

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Re: I Have To Be The First To Ask
« Reply #18, on March 29th, 2011, 11:34 PM »
Well, I wouldn't go quite that far, but it should certainly be easier than fighting with SMF at times.

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Re: I Have To Be The First To Ask
« Reply #19, on March 29th, 2011, 11:36 PM »
And in the end, what matters is that there are no editing conflicts... Which usually make up for 80% of the support workload on big mods!

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Re: I Have To Be The First To Ask
« Reply #20, on March 29th, 2011, 11:47 PM »
I went to crazy lengths to avoid edit conflicts in SimpleDesk, obscene in some cases, and got the opportunity to point out how bad SMF's structure is for extending things. Rest assured the knowledge I'm gaining from working on SimpleDesk (for my own ends as much as anything else) will come to play a direct part in what I do with Wedge.

I know at least one change implemented in Wedge that I made specifically came about because of something I had to do in SimpleDesk (the register-replacements thing in the DB layer) to avoid edits.

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Re: I Have To Be The First To Ask
« Reply #21, on March 29th, 2011, 11:59 PM »
Quote from Arantor on March 29th, 2011, 11:47 PM
I went to crazy lengths to avoid edit conflicts in SimpleDesk, obscene in some cases, and got the opportunity to point out how bad SMF's structure is for extending things. Rest assured the knowledge I'm gaining from working on SimpleDesk (for my own ends as much as anything else) will come to play a direct part in what I do with Wedge.
Makes me think I have a reply to finish posting over at the topic where we discuss edit-less templates ;)
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I know at least one change implemented in Wedge that I made specifically came about because of something I had to do in SimpleDesk (the register-replacements thing in the DB layer) to avoid edits.
Yeah... That change was damn cool, Pete. :)
Do you realize that you actually made me *like* OO programming? Well, at least not hate it anymore. And I've been pestering at OO for something like 15 years ;)

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Re: I Have To Be The First To Ask
« Reply #22, on March 30th, 2011, 12:15 AM »
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Makes me think I have a reply to finish posting over at the topic where we discuss edit-less templates
Well, breaking the templates down in the same way I did for the board index would help as a start, need to do more of that.
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Yeah... That change was damn cool, Pete.
It's the only way I could solve the matter of {query_see_ticket} without doing either manual editing of the DB library (as, say, Project Tools does) or a wrapper function (which is what I did in SimpleDesk and while that gave me freedom in some ways, it is a burden too)
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Do you realize that you actually made me *like* OO programming? Well, at least not hate it anymore. And I've been pestering at OO for something like 15 years
It's something I had to learn and learn fast for other things, and when used properly, it's lovely to work with. But like everything else it's a tool to be used and there are places it's not appropriate.