Wedge

-sigh- I wouldn't mind but all this was pretty much covered in the very first post.

But for those playing along at home, let's run through the logic.

All of this debate hinges on the point that moderators could be able to ban without being able to see IP addresses.

If you can't see an IP address, you should not be allowed to do IP bans for the simple reason that you are very likely going to ban someone you shouldn't. And giving IP ban powers to someone who can't see who they're shooting down with them is just plain daft. And any measures that involve allowing users to see who would be affected by a ban are also privacy encroaching (and thus defy the point of hiding IP addresses in the first place)

Which leads back to the original point in the original post: if you can ban, you should be able to see IP addresses because there is no legitimate time as far as I can see where you need to be able to see IP addresses and not be able to ban, and anything else just convolutes the process.

Remember: if I'm having trouble getting this fairly simple point across now, imagine what's going to happen when you come to it in 6 months and wonder who can see IP addresses, in a support topic.