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Features / Groups / Permission system.
« on June 23rd, 2011, 12:15 AM »
I always thought the SMF permission system was a little funky: Like if you inherit one class from another then change the parents "available boards", the child will not reflect this (I'm not sure if it ever reflects it actually). Also, the postcount based groups / "regular group" divide seems kind of odd.

Are you planning any changes to this?
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Features: BBCode / Re: Spoiler tag
« on June 23rd, 2011, 12:12 AM »
Quote from Arantor on June 23rd, 2011, 12:12 AM
Can't say I've ever needed it, if I did, I could just as easily preface it.
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Just like this.
Will you make it so it won't break on descriptions? A lot of forums today run with descriptions on.
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Features: Forward thinking / Re: Removing deprecated code
« on June 22nd, 2011, 08:15 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on June 22nd, 2011, 07:56 PM
But as you see... It's something we're aware of.
I'm glad you are. I'm not trying to "force" my vision on you, simply trying to answer Aranators post.
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Quote from Arantor on June 22nd, 2011, 05:48 PM
What problem do you see? How would you resolve it?

So please don't take this the wrong way. I'm just laying out what I think is done badly today. If you want me to stop yapping that is fine too. :)
Quote from Nao/Gilles on June 22nd, 2011, 07:56 PM
Sidebar menus have UI issues just the same.
Yeah I was hinting to this when I said:
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This problem is to a big extent fixed when you use the "sidebar menus" instead of dropdown menus whenever possible, but there might be better solutions...

Maybe there's a better place here to post my musings? Hmm.
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Development blog / Re: Package Manager, how we won't miss thee
« on June 22nd, 2011, 07:27 PM »
I just noticed that your blog shows the earliest post at top. Might want to do something about that (so people see the newest news first):

http://wedge.org/blog/

Or am I missing something?  :angel:
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Development blog / Re: Package Manager, how we won't miss thee
« on June 22nd, 2011, 06:48 PM »
The awesome in this astonishes me. A lot like Drupal, eh?

I'd love to hear more about it. I'm not a great developer but reading about this made me want to dive into it.
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Features: Forward thinking / Re: Removing deprecated code
« on June 22nd, 2011, 06:43 PM »
Quote from Arantor on June 22nd, 2011, 05:48 PM
That's the thing: the admin panel is still very much in flux.
That I'm perfectly fine with! The admin panel is for a few eyes only. What I care more about is how the average user experiences the site. With that said, I agree that there's room for improvements on both sides of that bar.
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There will be a LOT more in it than there is in SMF's, simply because we've added more to it than we have taken out.
:yahoo:
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You've said that you see a problem with the look and layout options. What problem do you see? How would you resolve it?
Now I've personally used SMF so much that I'm probably a bit biased. I'll check with what my forumgoers say and try to forward what they've had the most problems with. Some of these things are probably just things I have opinions on, but I'll try to ground them in reason. Some are small problems some are big.

Let's start from the top:

1. Drop down menus. The problem is not so much that there are drop down menus, it's more that thee content in them can be ambiguous. For example, the first time you register, and you want to change your theme, where do you go? In the beginning you'll probably be looking for something called "settings" or "control panel", maybe you'll scroll down to the bottom of the page to check if there's a dropdown menu for it, as it is on many boards. When you don't find it there you'll look further. Could your settings be under "Profile", maybe? Yes. Yes they could. So you click account settings and what do you see?

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Just an example.

You're getting confused. Where can I change my theme? If you are an inquiring mind you might just hover over modify profile long enough to find look and layout.

Thank God. You're there. The same problem develops if you want to change the default setting of " Return to topics after posting by default." or "Messages to display per page:"

This problem is to a big extent fixed when you use the "sidebar menus" instead of dropdown menus whenever possible, but there might be better solutions...

I'll be back with more about this later. Right now: Dinner time. ;)
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I have my own ideas, some of which are fairly controversial on the subject of pruning the admin panel, so let's start on a smaller area...
I'd love to hear more. Ideas can be fascinating, even though I personally am a firm believer of good execution > good ideas. :)
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Features: Forward thinking / Re: Removing deprecated code
« on June 22nd, 2011, 05:39 PM »
Quote from Arantor on June 22nd, 2011, 04:21 PM
Oh, that's a good lecture.

So, what is it you're asking for?
I'm not really asking for anything. I'm waiting with hope for Wedge, to see how it looks, before I even say one thing about it. Let me just say that your notion of "less is more" resonates well with my ideals as well. :)
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Features: Forward thinking / Re: Removing deprecated code
« on June 22nd, 2011, 04:02 PM »
Quote from Arantor on June 22nd, 2011, 03:56 PM
I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean
One of my biggest disadvantages, I'm so unclear when I write.
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about 'making things appear/disappear'.
Eh mostly I was talking about the "look and layout" tab. Many people have trouble even finding that in the default themes... But the other settings too are just "not easy to find" for new people.
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But I certainly won't disagree that the admin panel is a clusterfuck of stuff that doesn't really make sense.
Too true. The admin panel is a clusterfuck but at least to me that doesn't matter as much as how the users perceive the site. It would be nice with a better ACP for sure though.
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There is a certain degree of value in 'less is more', in fact. Or at least, the perception of less stuff even if there's actually more stuff available to you.
Oh definitely. There was a TED talk about this someplace. I'll see if I can find it...

Here: Barry Schwartz: The paradox of choice
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Features: Forward thinking / Re: Removing deprecated code
« on June 22nd, 2011, 03:50 PM »
Quote from Arantor on June 22nd, 2011, 03:43 PM
The thing is, by making things more logical and run more smoothly, the odds are fairly in favour that it will be more noob friendly than SMF by accident anyway, even though we're not encouraging its use by such.
One thing I think SMF is losing out on is its layout/UI for people actually browsing the site. How you edit your settings, make things appear/dissapear... It's just not self-explanatory enough. These people will be scrubs, and that is not going to change. SMF is "complicated" for all the wrong reasons. I do hope this is changed in Wedge, for sure.

But on the SysOP side I think it's better to not appeal to less skilled people, as they are very likely to "cost" more in support than they'll be able to "feed back". Then again, I'm not a good samaritan.
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Features: Forward thinking / Re: Removing deprecated code
« on June 22nd, 2011, 03:37 PM »
Quote from snoopy-virtual on June 22nd, 2011, 12:49 PM
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One question may be, is Wedge really trying to appeal to "noobs"?
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Development blog / Re: New directions
« on June 22nd, 2011, 12:11 PM »
Hahaha. I say go for it. Closed source is definitely okay by me (again, I'm only one person but eh, opinions). It is nice that you plan to "return the favor" of open sourcing / licensing it later though.
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Features: Forward thinking / Re: Removing deprecated code
« on June 22nd, 2011, 12:11 AM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on June 21st, 2011, 11:59 PM
So... Minimum version? 5.2 or 5.3? We're still unsure about this one...
I say whichever makes your life easier and coding better. Then again I'm only one person. The feeling I got from this project is that you choose what to support based on how much you like it. And I think that's a good thing, because you seem to have a good gut feeling.

5.3 is the standard choice for php5 in Debian stable, and Debian is fairly slow on releases.

So for me anyway, 5.3 seems like the better option, if it gives you a further array of tools to create a better forum :)

EDIT: Checked with Nearlyfreespeech (my favourite web hosting company) and at least they support 5.3. What can I say? Maybe people ought to update their programs. ;)
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The Pub / Re: Interesting site
« on June 21st, 2011, 07:49 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on June 20th, 2011, 07:18 PM
I'm considering opening a dev blog where we would post our progress. Right now my commitment is at an all-time low because of my pc problems. I think I only made two commits last week. Barely more than the smf team's usual output :lol:
Sounds really interesting. I for one love to hear why you choose to do things the way you do them too. I'm not really a developer but smart solutions work everywhere in life, if you can find out their essence. ;)
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Off-topic / Re: Introduction
« on June 20th, 2011, 12:08 PM »
Quote from Arantor on June 20th, 2011, 09:36 AM
Make more posts.
Okay.

 :ph34r:
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Off-topic / Re: PC hotline
« on June 19th, 2011, 06:04 PM »
Oh yeah I never meant to imply it was. :)