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Bug reports / Re: SMF bug: replying to topic with mismatch of replies
« on January 27th, 2013, 03:46 PM »
No, Arantor is right...
From what I can tell, the system CHECKS the reply count when you press submit, but it only triggers a message if the reply count is HIGHER (new messages have been posted since you started writing). Although I suspect it would not be a common occurrence, I think he is probably correct in that SMF (and Wedge) should present a similar message if replies have been removed (some replies appear to have been split, deleted or otherwise removed since you started writing)
Hey Arantor, if you are looking into the logic used... what happens if a post is MERGED while you are in the middle of replying?
replying to post A - post A is merged into post B (combined topic becoming post B)
-- I have no idea how the system would deal with this... your original topic has disappeared and there is no target
replying to post A - post B is mereged into post A (combined topic becoming post A)
-- I assume this would trigger the normal new posts have bee made" dialogue?
From what I can tell, the system CHECKS the reply count when you press submit, but it only triggers a message if the reply count is HIGHER (new messages have been posted since you started writing). Although I suspect it would not be a common occurrence, I think he is probably correct in that SMF (and Wedge) should present a similar message if replies have been removed (some replies appear to have been split, deleted or otherwise removed since you started writing)
Hey Arantor, if you are looking into the logic used... what happens if a post is MERGED while you are in the middle of replying?
replying to post A - post A is merged into post B (combined topic becoming post B)
-- I have no idea how the system would deal with this... your original topic has disappeared and there is no target
replying to post A - post B is mereged into post A (combined topic becoming post A)
-- I assume this would trigger the normal new posts have bee made" dialogue?
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Bug reports / Re: SMF bug: replying to topic with mismatch of replies
« on January 27th, 2013, 01:56 AM »
hmmm... Well, I'll admit, I am the one who split it off... I then grabbed your extra post and did a split/merge to sync it up with the appropriate split topic.
So, I see where you are coming from and a message wouldn't hurt...
I am not sure how common the occurrence would be though
So, I see where you are coming from and a message wouldn't hurt...
I am not sure how common the occurrence would be though
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 18th, 2013, 07:02 AM »
Arantor,
You seem to be under the misimpression that I (and others) are not aware that there is a problem.
The biggest issue here is that people like you are very quick to exaggerate the actual issues and others, who respect your opinion repeat your words. Yes, there is a problem. No, the problem is not quite what you seem to think...
I am not sure what half-assed idea to recruit devs you are referring to. I had a suggestion a while ago but was (quite correctly) shot down because it was not actually a very good idea (see, I can admit to being wrong, it occasionally happens. :P ) but as far as I know, while some of the leadership is talking about how to attract some devs, there is not currently any approved plan that I am aware of, half-assed or otherwise. Of course, as long as you keep yelling things like "don't go there, they're all monsters and will crush your soul", any worthwhile devs we talk to will probably walk... not because you're right, but because you're a respected member of the community and, even if you're only telling half the story, they'll listen to you. :(
You are right about one thing though... this thread has gone on long enough and is not contributing anything useful to the ethersphere.
Tshcuss.
You seem to be under the misimpression that I (and others) are not aware that there is a problem.
The biggest issue here is that people like you are very quick to exaggerate the actual issues and others, who respect your opinion repeat your words. Yes, there is a problem. No, the problem is not quite what you seem to think...
I am not sure what half-assed idea to recruit devs you are referring to. I had a suggestion a while ago but was (quite correctly) shot down because it was not actually a very good idea (see, I can admit to being wrong, it occasionally happens. :P ) but as far as I know, while some of the leadership is talking about how to attract some devs, there is not currently any approved plan that I am aware of, half-assed or otherwise. Of course, as long as you keep yelling things like "don't go there, they're all monsters and will crush your soul", any worthwhile devs we talk to will probably walk... not because you're right, but because you're a respected member of the community and, even if you're only telling half the story, they'll listen to you. :(
You are right about one thing though... this thread has gone on long enough and is not contributing anything useful to the ethersphere.
Tshcuss.
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 18th, 2013, 06:25 AM »
And Suki... this is what I mean about your misunderstanding...
I am not the one who decided to continue with 2.1. Several of us made a lot of noise when Norv announced her plans to trash the 2.x line. emanuele and spuds took our comments to heart and OFFERED to work in 2.1. I certainly could not have forced them to do so... even if I was still the PM.
You have your perception of things (which is definitely flawed, because you are definitely missing things)
I imagine that my own perception of things is also flawed, since if it was actually as clear as it seems to me, none of you would be having these confusions...
As for you Arantor... Yes, we have disagreed on many things. I thought we'd gotten over the digs and stuff like that, though...
SMF could get much lower? Lower than what? What did SMF do that makes it so low?
There are definitely misunderstandings going on here... and Suki is definitely a contributor to the misunderstandings... because her commentary is definitely misrepresenting my position. She may believe what she's saying, but she is also definitely wrong (and I should know, since I'm the one who said (or didn't say) many of the things that she claims.)
(remember what I said regarding the DCO and stuff... regardless of what the facts may be, perception counts for much more)
However, from you, I am seeing the other side of the blind-eye - Because she feels jilted by SMF and is presenting a dirty picture, it seems like you think she must be automatically correct and anyone who contradicts her must be automatically wrong.
As for me not being the team... absolutely correct. However, it would seem that Suki is directing all of her accusations against me, personally, and is saying that it's basically my fault the she was shunned... (which she wasn't, BTW. We disagreed with her suggestion to shut down the 2.x line, just like we did with Norv's similar suggestion. and it was WE... several of the team, not just me.)
ARGH!
Let me just say this, one last time...
I never shut Suki down. I never told her what to do. I did say that she was wrong to suggest that 2.x be trashed after 2.1 while something else was being worked on for years to come and several others agreed with me.
I am not the one who decided to continue with 2.1. Several of us made a lot of noise when Norv announced her plans to trash the 2.x line. emanuele and spuds took our comments to heart and OFFERED to work in 2.1. I certainly could not have forced them to do so... even if I was still the PM.
You have your perception of things (which is definitely flawed, because you are definitely missing things)
I imagine that my own perception of things is also flawed, since if it was actually as clear as it seems to me, none of you would be having these confusions...
As for you Arantor... Yes, we have disagreed on many things. I thought we'd gotten over the digs and stuff like that, though...
SMF could get much lower? Lower than what? What did SMF do that makes it so low?
There are definitely misunderstandings going on here... and Suki is definitely a contributor to the misunderstandings... because her commentary is definitely misrepresenting my position. She may believe what she's saying, but she is also definitely wrong (and I should know, since I'm the one who said (or didn't say) many of the things that she claims.)
(remember what I said regarding the DCO and stuff... regardless of what the facts may be, perception counts for much more)
However, from you, I am seeing the other side of the blind-eye - Because she feels jilted by SMF and is presenting a dirty picture, it seems like you think she must be automatically correct and anyone who contradicts her must be automatically wrong.
As for me not being the team... absolutely correct. However, it would seem that Suki is directing all of her accusations against me, personally, and is saying that it's basically my fault the she was shunned... (which she wasn't, BTW. We disagreed with her suggestion to shut down the 2.x line, just like we did with Norv's similar suggestion. and it was WE... several of the team, not just me.)
ARGH!
Let me just say this, one last time...
I never shut Suki down. I never told her what to do. I did say that she was wrong to suggest that 2.x be trashed after 2.1 while something else was being worked on for years to come and several others agreed with me.
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 18th, 2013, 02:07 AM »
ummm... no, Arantor.
I certainly never said no to any idea of new development... nor did anyone else.
What we said to Suki was "OOP is all good.... but we should not stop work continuing in the 2.x line"
So, no one shut her out. Because we disagreed with her idea to completely stop development on 2.x after the 2.1 release, she seems to have assumed that means that we rejected OOP.
IIRC, what was actually said was "we can't just stop development of 2.x while you work on a completely new design that will take years to actually release." (which, BTW: Was exactly the same argument that was presented to Norv when SHE wanted to stop all 2.x development and only work on SMC (which was, at the time planned for 2-3 years out). The statement was followed up with something along the lines of "It is all well and good to work on OOP and something new... but we can't just drop the old stuff, either"
So, yup... I SAY IT AIN'T SO... and I call BS.
Also, I am not sure which arguments Suki thinks that we rejected from her that I accept from you. To the best of my knowledge, I have not changed my position on anything to do with this stuff... You can call me "the problem" if you want... but I repeat... I don't have any power to make any decisions. If I disagree with someone and speak my mind, it is presented as MY OPINION ONLY, not the position of the project nor the position of the corporation.
I have never ignored someone, Suki or anyone else... If I read something and have an opinion, I speak my mind. Doesn't mean I am right... but at least I am honest about my opinions and I don't go behind anyone's back to manipulate anything.
I certainly never said no to any idea of new development... nor did anyone else.
What we said to Suki was "OOP is all good.... but we should not stop work continuing in the 2.x line"
So, no one shut her out. Because we disagreed with her idea to completely stop development on 2.x after the 2.1 release, she seems to have assumed that means that we rejected OOP.
IIRC, what was actually said was "we can't just stop development of 2.x while you work on a completely new design that will take years to actually release." (which, BTW: Was exactly the same argument that was presented to Norv when SHE wanted to stop all 2.x development and only work on SMC (which was, at the time planned for 2-3 years out). The statement was followed up with something along the lines of "It is all well and good to work on OOP and something new... but we can't just drop the old stuff, either"
So, yup... I SAY IT AIN'T SO... and I call BS.
Also, I am not sure which arguments Suki thinks that we rejected from her that I accept from you. To the best of my knowledge, I have not changed my position on anything to do with this stuff... You can call me "the problem" if you want... but I repeat... I don't have any power to make any decisions. If I disagree with someone and speak my mind, it is presented as MY OPINION ONLY, not the position of the project nor the position of the corporation.
I have never ignored someone, Suki or anyone else... If I read something and have an opinion, I speak my mind. Doesn't mean I am right... but at least I am honest about my opinions and I don't go behind anyone's back to manipulate anything.
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 17th, 2013, 04:33 AM »
Arantor... anything that happened before the reorg is ancient history and can't be laid at the feet of the current team.
I think somewhat less than half the current team were even on the team prior to the reorg.
However, pushing someone into dev... as stupid as the method was (and no. I am not asking you to go into more detail, not do I care who it was) is not interfering with the devs... I don't think... Well, it's weird and I don't really care to break it down...
but anyway... my point is that, as far as I know, no one has been telling devs what to do or how to go about doing it, despite the cries of some, I haven't seen any actual examples.... and no, I am not being willfully dense... I truly don't think that your case above is a point here... yes, they may have manipulated you into joining the dev team, but once there, were you told (not as in, we think this feature should be added, but actually instructed) that you had to do something by anyone outside the dev team? Can any dev provide one solid example of a time when they were told what code to write?
that's what I mean... yes, devs heave left... the recent ones for various reasons... but not for the reason that some people seem to be thinking - as far as I know, none of the recent devs have left because someone told them how or what to code... and even the ones who have claimed so in the past have yet to provide a concrete example.
(oh, and as for spuds... he over-reacted, but it was not a case of being thin-skinned; it was a case of telephone.... what was passed on to him second or third hand was WAY worse then the original joking comment (and the original comment was poorly phrased in the first place)
As for copyright... I don't feel like getting into the argument again... as I said, it really is a moot point now. The DCO was implemented. The CLAs were destroyed. Bad choices, IMO... but my opinion really only matters as an opinion and doesn't alter the situation. So, although I'd like to see the CLA reinstated, I don't think it'll ever happen, considering what problems I had tracking down folks the first time around. So, we're stuck with the DCO. So that part of your argument is moot (unless the lawyer that AB is supposed to be consulting with tells us something else)
I think somewhat less than half the current team were even on the team prior to the reorg.
However, pushing someone into dev... as stupid as the method was (and no. I am not asking you to go into more detail, not do I care who it was) is not interfering with the devs... I don't think... Well, it's weird and I don't really care to break it down...
but anyway... my point is that, as far as I know, no one has been telling devs what to do or how to go about doing it, despite the cries of some, I haven't seen any actual examples.... and no, I am not being willfully dense... I truly don't think that your case above is a point here... yes, they may have manipulated you into joining the dev team, but once there, were you told (not as in, we think this feature should be added, but actually instructed) that you had to do something by anyone outside the dev team? Can any dev provide one solid example of a time when they were told what code to write?
that's what I mean... yes, devs heave left... the recent ones for various reasons... but not for the reason that some people seem to be thinking - as far as I know, none of the recent devs have left because someone told them how or what to code... and even the ones who have claimed so in the past have yet to provide a concrete example.
(oh, and as for spuds... he over-reacted, but it was not a case of being thin-skinned; it was a case of telephone.... what was passed on to him second or third hand was WAY worse then the original joking comment (and the original comment was poorly phrased in the first place)
As for copyright... I don't feel like getting into the argument again... as I said, it really is a moot point now. The DCO was implemented. The CLAs were destroyed. Bad choices, IMO... but my opinion really only matters as an opinion and doesn't alter the situation. So, although I'd like to see the CLA reinstated, I don't think it'll ever happen, considering what problems I had tracking down folks the first time around. So, we're stuck with the DCO. So that part of your argument is moot (unless the lawyer that AB is supposed to be consulting with tells us something else)
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 17th, 2013, 03:18 AM »
Do note, Arantor... I have not blamed any DEVS for this misunderstanding. The person who said that to me is not a dev.
and once again... I object to the claim that we drove anyone away...
IchBin left and I won't go into what I think of that (aside from I believe it was extremely childish)
Spuds left because one of the board made a poor joking suggestion which someone passed on to him with the belief that it was real.
Suki left because she didn't like what SMF was planning. She felt that all development on any 2.x should stop and all efforts be put into OOP... Others did not agree.
emanuele has not left yet... when he's done with this release and leave, I am still not sure I understand why...
However, the reason some people have CLAIMED for leaving in the past is because the devs don't have total control, or others are trying to tell the devs what to do and how to do it.
The first is true. The devs don't have total control.. and should not. They need to take the team and the community into account and work WITH others. However, that does not lead to the second... and the second is definitely, completely, and totally untrue. I have yet to see any ACTUAL example of anyone on the team telling any dev what to code or how to code it. We've had arguments that something should (or should not) be included in a release... but no one, to the best of my knowledge has ever even tried to interfere with the development or coding process.
I won't argue with the resulting mess... just with the suggested cause.
As for your number 4... we have actually made an attempt to separate the political BS out of the project - and have mostly been successful (aside from instances like Suki who didn't seem to understand the separation - or, at leats, were always questioning it)
I don't know about such masterminded BS that you mention... I believe that was before I started paying attention to the crap going on in the team boards.
regarding the copyright... again... we disagree on the need for it... but, as it stands right now, it appears that it is a moot point, because the DCO was implemented and the board did destroy the CLAs... I disagree with both choices, rather alot.. but I am not on the board, not in charge and my opinion is just that... my opinion. It holds no more weight than anyone else's at this point.
The only things I can comment on with certainty and definiteness are the bylaws (which I assembled) and the intentions of the board when the NPO was formed (because it was under my control at the time)
and once again... I object to the claim that we drove anyone away...
IchBin left and I won't go into what I think of that (aside from I believe it was extremely childish)
Spuds left because one of the board made a poor joking suggestion which someone passed on to him with the belief that it was real.
Suki left because she didn't like what SMF was planning. She felt that all development on any 2.x should stop and all efforts be put into OOP... Others did not agree.
emanuele has not left yet... when he's done with this release and leave, I am still not sure I understand why...
However, the reason some people have CLAIMED for leaving in the past is because the devs don't have total control, or others are trying to tell the devs what to do and how to do it.
The first is true. The devs don't have total control.. and should not. They need to take the team and the community into account and work WITH others. However, that does not lead to the second... and the second is definitely, completely, and totally untrue. I have yet to see any ACTUAL example of anyone on the team telling any dev what to code or how to code it. We've had arguments that something should (or should not) be included in a release... but no one, to the best of my knowledge has ever even tried to interfere with the development or coding process.
I won't argue with the resulting mess... just with the suggested cause.
As for your number 4... we have actually made an attempt to separate the political BS out of the project - and have mostly been successful (aside from instances like Suki who didn't seem to understand the separation - or, at leats, were always questioning it)
I don't know about such masterminded BS that you mention... I believe that was before I started paying attention to the crap going on in the team boards.
regarding the copyright... again... we disagree on the need for it... but, as it stands right now, it appears that it is a moot point, because the DCO was implemented and the board did destroy the CLAs... I disagree with both choices, rather alot.. but I am not on the board, not in charge and my opinion is just that... my opinion. It holds no more weight than anyone else's at this point.
The only things I can comment on with certainty and definiteness are the bylaws (which I assembled) and the intentions of the board when the NPO was formed (because it was under my control at the time)
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 17th, 2013, 02:11 AM »
AN is supposed to be talking to a lawyer to get a specific legal opinion on this, since I think there are a lot of misunderstandings...
BTW: I found where I was told (specifically) in PM by someone who I won't single out by name that "The DCO does everything that the CLA does, it is just easier to sign electronically and more convenient because of that"
regardless... as I said, several of us (including at least one board member) were given the IMPRESSION that the DCO was a straight 1 for 1 replacement of the CLA.
(and yes, Arantor, owning the copyright means that SMF could, if necessary, change the license without getting signoff from every individual who has ever contributed code. That was the entire reason behind the CLA in the first place. We all saw the massive idiocy and mess that happened when Joomla tried to grant an exception to their GPL.)
BTW: I found where I was told (specifically) in PM by someone who I won't single out by name that "The DCO does everything that the CLA does, it is just easier to sign electronically and more convenient because of that"
regardless... as I said, several of us (including at least one board member) were given the IMPRESSION that the DCO was a straight 1 for 1 replacement of the CLA.
(and yes, Arantor, owning the copyright means that SMF could, if necessary, change the license without getting signoff from every individual who has ever contributed code. That was the entire reason behind the CLA in the first place. We all saw the massive idiocy and mess that happened when Joomla tried to grant an exception to their GPL.)
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 16th, 2013, 09:36 PM »
Actually Arantor, it was not emanuele or Spuds... I have never had any issues with anything said or done by either of them. :)
emanuele, regarding the DCO and the official switch to it... I think that happened while I was resigned... didn't it? and even prior to that, I was against the switch when it was first mentioned and only shut up when I was specifically told that the DCO would cover everything that the CLA covered.
Anyway.... I (and several others) feel that it was misrepresented to us. Remember (as people have pointed out to me a number of times in criticism of me) It's not about the facts or even specifically what was said - it's about how it was (mis)understood and perceived...
emanuele, regarding the DCO and the official switch to it... I think that happened while I was resigned... didn't it? and even prior to that, I was against the switch when it was first mentioned and only shut up when I was specifically told that the DCO would cover everything that the CLA covered.
Anyway.... I (and several others) feel that it was misrepresented to us. Remember (as people have pointed out to me a number of times in criticism of me) It's not about the facts or even specifically what was said - it's about how it was (mis)understood and perceived...
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 12th, 2013, 08:06 AM »
Hmmm... We'll have to disagree on your commentary of cursing. ;)
I have studied etymology, not sociology, but it shows a somewhat different perception.
:p
as for what you have misunderstood...
Well, you accused me of telling you that you were wrong all the time, of calling you a poison personality and several other things... None of which I actually did. The only time, that I can recall saying that oh were wrong, consistently, was when you had commentary on the org versus project.
Oh yes, and you basically said that devs leaving SMF is all my fault, because I demand control over them... Which is also untrue.
Hmmm... What else? Oh... That i perceive a grudge when people disagree with me.
Did I miss any of your accusations?
Basically, you seem to have a very bizarre and mistaken view of me.
I have studied etymology, not sociology, but it shows a somewhat different perception.
:p
as for what you have misunderstood...
Well, you accused me of telling you that you were wrong all the time, of calling you a poison personality and several other things... None of which I actually did. The only time, that I can recall saying that oh were wrong, consistently, was when you had commentary on the org versus project.
Oh yes, and you basically said that devs leaving SMF is all my fault, because I demand control over them... Which is also untrue.
Hmmm... What else? Oh... That i perceive a grudge when people disagree with me.
Did I miss any of your accusations?
Basically, you seem to have a very bizarre and mistaken view of me.
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 12th, 2013, 07:29 AM »
Actually, curse words is not a universal thing. If I spoke as I usually do when I was down in the southern US, they would be shocked and dismayed.
Same with many of the japanese hat I have dealt with...
I probably should watch my language a little more closely (and I used to do so), but, as everyone is so fond of pointing out, volunteer projects are not corporate business.
So, I don't know about your specific folks... But we use invective words in every day language around here...
Same with many of the japanese hat I have dealt with...
I probably should watch my language a little more closely (and I used to do so), but, as everyone is so fond of pointing out, volunteer projects are not corporate business.
So, I don't know about your specific folks... But we use invective words in every day language around here...
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 12th, 2013, 07:01 AM »
ummm... I didn't post on your 3.0 plans because I have no opinion on them
Yup... I btought up the corp versus project stuff because THAT was the stuff which you posted on that I commented on. I had no opinion on your other stuff and thus did not post.
As for why I bring up the language/culture thing? Well, because you so consistantly misinterpret what I say that it is either willful or just because you are not understanding what I am saying. (and, since you have such a good grasp of English, otherwise it has to be cultural, neh pas?)
and you might note that the past few posts, Arantor and I have been saying the exact same thing. SMF needs two solid, strong leaders. one for dev and one as PM.
Also, the curse words are another cultural thing. I am a new englander american. We use curse words as emphasis, as commentary and to express incredulity... it's a part of our culture up here. I actually use such much more in spoken conversations than in written (as do most of my associates). Thus reinforcing my belief that there has to be a cultural gap here...
I'm watching re-runs of knight rider, myself. :)
Yup... I btought up the corp versus project stuff because THAT was the stuff which you posted on that I commented on. I had no opinion on your other stuff and thus did not post.
As for why I bring up the language/culture thing? Well, because you so consistantly misinterpret what I say that it is either willful or just because you are not understanding what I am saying. (and, since you have such a good grasp of English, otherwise it has to be cultural, neh pas?)
and you might note that the past few posts, Arantor and I have been saying the exact same thing. SMF needs two solid, strong leaders. one for dev and one as PM.
Also, the curse words are another cultural thing. I am a new englander american. We use curse words as emphasis, as commentary and to express incredulity... it's a part of our culture up here. I actually use such much more in spoken conversations than in written (as do most of my associates). Thus reinforcing my belief that there has to be a cultural gap here...
I'm watching re-runs of knight rider, myself. :)
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 12th, 2013, 06:46 AM »
rotfl... thanks, I needed that.
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 12th, 2013, 06:17 AM »
Suki, I think you have misunderstood... and I guess the only thing I can point a finger at would be a language/cultural barrier.
To the best of my knowledge, the majority of my "you are wrong" statements were because you kept confusing the project with the organization.
I don't view disagreement with me as a "grudge" nor do I believe that makes someone "wrong" (although, I like to believe that I am right more often than wrong, myself :P)
So, again, I am unclear on where this is coming from. People have every right to disagree with me... Arantor does frequently :P
Since rejoining the team, I have been involved in attempting to correct misunderstandings or wrong thinking regarding the organization and, with the exception of the copyright issues and trying to make the team realize that, with devs leaving, we need to figure out a way to get more, I have pretty much stayed out of interteam crap.
(side note, I mostly swear for additional emphasis, because there is no other good way to convey such a tone on the internet)
To the best of my knowledge, the majority of my "you are wrong" statements were because you kept confusing the project with the organization.
I don't view disagreement with me as a "grudge" nor do I believe that makes someone "wrong" (although, I like to believe that I am right more often than wrong, myself :P)
So, again, I am unclear on where this is coming from. People have every right to disagree with me... Arantor does frequently :P
Since rejoining the team, I have been involved in attempting to correct misunderstandings or wrong thinking regarding the organization and, with the exception of the copyright issues and trying to make the team realize that, with devs leaving, we need to figure out a way to get more, I have pretty much stayed out of interteam crap.
(side note, I mostly swear for additional emphasis, because there is no other good way to convey such a tone on the internet)
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on January 12th, 2013, 06:03 AM »
actually, you and I are in complete agreement on that, Arantor.
I'd love to see you as lead dev. :) I know you don't want it but I'd love it. :)
As I said above (and you agreed)
We need a good dev lead who can motivate a team (and bring others in) and is charismatic and has a strong enough personality to work with the team while holding his/her own (in other words, not total domination, but forward LEADERSHIP)
You are right... emanuele, as wonderful as he is, is too nice (might come from still being young and not as cynical as us old fogeys)
spuds was a consideration, but he's too sensitive. He doesn't have a thick enough skin... and the same goes for Suki.
Lab does not have the skills, knowledge or personality to do it.
We also need a PM who has many of the same characteristics.
Honestly, I don't think we've had a lead dev who falls into that category since unknown left...
we've had a few who came close, but were chased out because they were strong during a time when certain folks did not want strong team leaders.
Orstio would be great to get back... :)
TE might be able to handle it.
You (arantor) could... as could Nao, but you're (understandably) busy with wedge
I'd love to see you as lead dev. :) I know you don't want it but I'd love it. :)
As I said above (and you agreed)
We need a good dev lead who can motivate a team (and bring others in) and is charismatic and has a strong enough personality to work with the team while holding his/her own (in other words, not total domination, but forward LEADERSHIP)
You are right... emanuele, as wonderful as he is, is too nice (might come from still being young and not as cynical as us old fogeys)
spuds was a consideration, but he's too sensitive. He doesn't have a thick enough skin... and the same goes for Suki.
Lab does not have the skills, knowledge or personality to do it.
We also need a PM who has many of the same characteristics.
Honestly, I don't think we've had a lead dev who falls into that category since unknown left...
we've had a few who came close, but were chased out because they were strong during a time when certain folks did not want strong team leaders.
Orstio would be great to get back... :)
TE might be able to handle it.
You (arantor) could... as could Nao, but you're (understandably) busy with wedge