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Off-topic / Re: Doctor Who
« on May 9th, 2013, 08:53 PM »
given how terrible some of the doctor who spin offs have been, I'm not sure it would work... but I'd like to see them try a spin-off with the virtorian crew. :)
I am desparately looking forward to this weekend's episode!
I am desparately looking forward to this weekend's episode!
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Other software / Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« on May 9th, 2013, 08:46 PM »
Well, Arantor, I think that the matter is actually quite simple.
Yes, there are different sets of standards - as with life. You get what you earn.
there those users, like yourself, who have proven helpful over and over and over (with or without snark)
There are users who try to help but are frequently mistaken (if they accept correction, they can move up in estimation, if not, they move down)
there are also users who have not proven anything except that they like to complain and make trouble...
te first set get a fair amount of slack.
the second set get slack enough to hang themselves or pull themselves up...
the third set don't get any slack at all and have to work their way up to ground level to even see the rope
(and of course, there are all sorts of "levels" in between as well, it's not all cut and dried as some seem to think or want.)
Yes, there are different sets of standards - as with life. You get what you earn.
there those users, like yourself, who have proven helpful over and over and over (with or without snark)
There are users who try to help but are frequently mistaken (if they accept correction, they can move up in estimation, if not, they move down)
there are also users who have not proven anything except that they like to complain and make trouble...
te first set get a fair amount of slack.
the second set get slack enough to hang themselves or pull themselves up...
the third set don't get any slack at all and have to work their way up to ground level to even see the rope
(and of course, there are all sorts of "levels" in between as well, it's not all cut and dried as some seem to think or want.)
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Other software / Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« on May 9th, 2013, 08:24 PM »
hey Arantor - without getting into it any further, and solely in the interest of truth...
He has twisted the words and meaning and that's not what K@ actually said to him.
He has twisted the words and meaning and that's not what K@ actually said to him.
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Off-topic / Re: Most Big Boards are Ugly, Why?
« on May 9th, 2013, 05:23 PM »
I don't know that xenforo is better than phpbb. I actuallty have never used xenforo and have not touched phpbb in over 6 years.
(I can't get to nairaland... it's blocked from my office)
Ajax is just another function.
The presence or lack of it does not determine how "good" a forum is.
meaures of a forum:
Does it cover the content that you are looking for?
Does it allow you to find that information?
Everything else, IMO is icing.
icing is nice... but too much icing ruins the cake
(I can't get to nairaland... it's blocked from my office)
Ajax is just another function.
The presence or lack of it does not determine how "good" a forum is.
meaures of a forum:
Does it cover the content that you are looking for?
Does it allow you to find that information?
Everything else, IMO is icing.
icing is nice... but too much icing ruins the cake
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Off-topic / Re: Most Big Boards are Ugly, Why?
« on May 8th, 2013, 08:10 PM »
it also depends who is running it (and what you consider to be a "big board")
For example, I run 40konline on SMF.
They were originally built on YABB as EldarOnline and supported by [Unknown] himself...
the layout has changed many times over the years... including Mambo and Joomla before SMF portals came far enough to dump the external CMS.
I like Red & White Kop and Hogsville, myself. :)
oh... and as for facebook... they are one of the worst examples to use about applying interface changes since they apparently are planned by drunk monkeys and don't even bother to do focus groups or even ask the users what they think.
(I also disagree on your statement that ajax is a must)
For example, I run 40konline on SMF.
They were originally built on YABB as EldarOnline and supported by [Unknown] himself...
the layout has changed many times over the years... including Mambo and Joomla before SMF portals came far enough to dump the external CMS.
I like Red & White Kop and Hogsville, myself. :)
oh... and as for facebook... they are one of the worst examples to use about applying interface changes since they apparently are planned by drunk monkeys and don't even bother to do focus groups or even ask the users what they think.
(I also disagree on your statement that ajax is a must)
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Off-topic / Re: Interesting feedback
« on May 7th, 2013, 06:23 AM »
I am tempted to ask for an alpha test copy to install side-by side with my modded out SMF test site for a full comparison. :)
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Off-topic / Re: Interesting feedback
« on May 7th, 2013, 06:01 AM »
lol.... Wedge looks like SMF the same way that almost ALL forums have the same sort of feel. (because function leads to form, after all)
Although, being rather familiar with SMF, I can definitely tell that Wedge is NOT SMF.
Although, being rather familiar with SMF, I can definitely tell that Wedge is NOT SMF.
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Off-topic / Re: Doctor Who
« on May 6th, 2013, 09:42 PM »
I liked it. It's the first episode of this half-season that I think I actually liked.
(the opener wasn't bad, but I was disappointed in Clara's lack of spunk in that one)
This one was good.
The secondary characters from Victorian England were fun.
The confusion about "Clara" was well done...
and the ending "hanger" was better than the rest of the season put together...
(the opener wasn't bad, but I was disappointed in Clara's lack of spunk in that one)
This one was good.
The secondary characters from Victorian England were fun.
The confusion about "Clara" was well done...
and the ending "hanger" was better than the rest of the season put together...
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Other software / Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« on May 3rd, 2013, 09:03 PM »
lol... I know arantor - but, IIRC, his problem was that the parens ended up being uneven (space on one side, not on the other) I was asking him if it went back to being even... (and I just realized that wasn't clear.. oops... *runs back to smf to correct the post)
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Other software / Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« on May 3rd, 2013, 04:49 PM »
ummm... I'll point out one thing. The link emanuele pointed to was regarding the conversation ARANTOR and I were having. which predates your involvement in SMF in any way shape or form.
You're not the center of the world.
You're not the center of the world.
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Other software / Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« on May 3rd, 2013, 04:27 PM »
emanuele was just posting a link to the thread discussing your deleting posts and the reaction we had and that I took. :)
It's all water under the bridge at this point.
It's all water under the bridge at this point.
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Other software / Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« on May 2nd, 2013, 10:17 PM »
yup... was also discussed elsewhere/
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Other software / Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« on May 2nd, 2013, 04:31 PM »
thing is... this is a different case from Windows, etc... where you are purchasing your license to USE the end product.
the lead dev of the project functions as the editor.
the project has the right to claim editorial status copyright
the project is owned by the corp, therefore the corp owns the same right to the editorial copyright of the compiled work that is SMF
(not any idnvidual piece of code - that is still owned, individually by each contributor - no one has ever claimed otherwise and that is one of the things that gets me about Norv's arguments... she seesm to think that the corp is trying to force developers to give up rights to their code or to claim the code as their own. SM has no desire to do that and - once the issue was pointed out, agreed that the copyright needed to be adjusted.)
As for whether there were better ways to "force" the issue, I think we both agree that Norv's way was the wrong way to go about it -- although I'm sure you (or someone else) will argue that anything less would have been ignored, that is debatable and a pointless argument at this time. :)
the lead dev of the project functions as the editor.
the project has the right to claim editorial status copyright
the project is owned by the corp, therefore the corp owns the same right to the editorial copyright of the compiled work that is SMF
(not any idnvidual piece of code - that is still owned, individually by each contributor - no one has ever claimed otherwise and that is one of the things that gets me about Norv's arguments... she seesm to think that the corp is trying to force developers to give up rights to their code or to claim the code as their own. SM has no desire to do that and - once the issue was pointed out, agreed that the copyright needed to be adjusted.)
As for whether there were better ways to "force" the issue, I think we both agree that Norv's way was the wrong way to go about it -- although I'm sure you (or someone else) will argue that anything less would have been ignored, that is debatable and a pointless argument at this time. :)
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Other software / Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« on May 2nd, 2013, 03:08 PM »
well, I find it hard to be any sort of unemotional when Norv is involved. She has frequently attacked me directly and personally (admittedly, and I her) Anyway, that's beside the point.
I don't quite agree with your belief that the lead dev (aka the primary editorial controller) needs to be an NPO member. The PROJECT exists under the NPO and all assets belong to the NPO for use by, for and with the project(s). However, yes, Norv was not only an NPO member, she was also a member of the board from day 1.
I don't quite agree with your belief that the lead dev (aka the primary editorial controller) needs to be an NPO member. The PROJECT exists under the NPO and all assets belong to the NPO for use by, for and with the project(s). However, yes, Norv was not only an NPO member, she was also a member of the board from day 1.
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Other software / Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« on May 2nd, 2013, 04:51 AM »
I actually did read the whole thing. :)
yeah... the whole deleting posts thing was a clusterfuck... I agree with that. Everyone was pissy and everyone was acting inappropriately at the time. (oh, and for the record, I was the mouthpiece, but I was actually expressing the will of the team at that point, including Norv, IIRC. but that's beside the point...
Anyway.... you are right. The bitching about the change from a CLA to the DCO was probably not needed. However, several of us felt that Norv had acted dishonestly in her justification for the switch.
You are right, there are many forms of contribution other than just "code". Heck, I have literally put thousands of dollars of my own money into the project. Admittedly, I have since been repaid - but there was never any assurance that would happen. Many of us (including you) have put YEARS of effort and attention into the project.
The team did not chase Illori away. As a matter of fact, many of us begged her to stay. There were some personality conflicts between her method and those who disagreed with her that she felt were insoluble - but to the bets of my knoweldge no one "Chased her out"
Yes, we have had two people (three?) removed from the team - 2 of them for fairly serious infractions.
I don't count them, because they were in violation of basic ethical guidelines, let alone the team agreement.
(heck even Runic admits that he kinda deserved it - just as he deserved the second chance once he cleared up some of his personal issues) but we never chased Norv away. I actually quite the org and the team so they could keep her, when it became clear that she could not work in any proximity to me. I only came back after she abandoned the project(s).
As for Norv contacting the SFLC... well, I don't know what they told her, but based on her rantings, I have to assume that the information which she provided to them was as slated in the other direction as she accused us of doing. (do note, I have not been privy to ANY of the communications to the SFLC on any side, per request of the SFLC itself, only the board was privy to the specific communications)
yeah... the whole deleting posts thing was a clusterfuck... I agree with that. Everyone was pissy and everyone was acting inappropriately at the time. (oh, and for the record, I was the mouthpiece, but I was actually expressing the will of the team at that point, including Norv, IIRC. but that's beside the point...
Anyway.... you are right. The bitching about the change from a CLA to the DCO was probably not needed. However, several of us felt that Norv had acted dishonestly in her justification for the switch.
You are right, there are many forms of contribution other than just "code". Heck, I have literally put thousands of dollars of my own money into the project. Admittedly, I have since been repaid - but there was never any assurance that would happen. Many of us (including you) have put YEARS of effort and attention into the project.
The team did not chase Illori away. As a matter of fact, many of us begged her to stay. There were some personality conflicts between her method and those who disagreed with her that she felt were insoluble - but to the bets of my knoweldge no one "Chased her out"
Yes, we have had two people (three?) removed from the team - 2 of them for fairly serious infractions.
I don't count them, because they were in violation of basic ethical guidelines, let alone the team agreement.
(heck even Runic admits that he kinda deserved it - just as he deserved the second chance once he cleared up some of his personal issues) but we never chased Norv away. I actually quite the org and the team so they could keep her, when it became clear that she could not work in any proximity to me. I only came back after she abandoned the project(s).
As for Norv contacting the SFLC... well, I don't know what they told her, but based on her rantings, I have to assume that the information which she provided to them was as slated in the other direction as she accused us of doing. (do note, I have not been privy to ANY of the communications to the SFLC on any side, per request of the SFLC itself, only the board was privy to the specific communications)