Wedge

Because of the ineptitude of the team that still hasn't managed to actually get this shit sorted out.

It's not that I don't care about Wess, it's that I have no idea what's truly best.

My gut instinct says these are important:for modders and themers

and these are not:For the simple reason that the first lot are pretty generic, the second lot are site specific. There are alternatives like creating different skins for different boards which negate the board and category id items to a degree. As for member specific... other than your own uses for it (for testing out styles before deployment, I doubt anyone would really use it)

And as we discussed before, this is also an SMF bug only it's more visible in our case because we default to going back to the topic on posting.

This is the *real* reason why SMF defaults to going back to the list of topics after posting, so that the board gets updated with 'not so new' status.

Explain Illori to me then. Explain how she was pushed off the team as not chasing away a contributor.

You do realise there are other ways you can push someone out of a project without visibly appearing to do so, right? Cast your mind back to 2009 when I joined the team. Bryan and I didn't get along to start with. Then I realised that there was a problem: he was suggesting things and no-one was listening because it was him saying them, not because the ideas were bad. So late 2009 I started reiterating some of Bryan's ideas. Only now they were good ideas because it wasn't Bryan saying them.

Is that not pushing Bryan out of the project to some degree? Wait, wasn't he actually kicked out of the project at one time?

Oh I must be mistaken, no-one was ever kicked out of the project. Oh and January 2010 NEVER HAPPENED.You do realise that the assertion was more than just that, right?The assertion was that our rights to our *contributions* were infringed upon. Not all contributions were code and not all code was in the form of contributions.

See, I'd listen to what you were saying if it weren't for the fact that YOU PERSONALLY told me I did not have the right to EDIT MY OWN FUCKING POSTS on sm.org at one point in time claiming they were under the CLA, because at the time the only method I had to protest what was going on in a way that could actually make a difference was by removing my own posts, because that was the only thing I had left. Then I didn't even have the right to edit or remove my own posts.

Yes, that happened, folks. And Kindred HIMSELF was the one who moved me into a group that revoked those rights as well as being the one who told me about it.

And that's not pushing me out of the project in any fashion? No, I suppose in your world that's not a method of pushing someone away.When? Oh, and is this on the basis of the advice given to SFLC which is, actually, somewhat erroneous? (Hint: Norv has also contacted the SFLC to clarify exactly what was done and under what basis. You may find their advice changes.)

The fact you STILL AFTER ALL THIS TIME DO NOT UNDERSTAND what we are trying to tell you is so saddening.

So you want to copy Apache. Fine, that makes sense. Except the bulk of the people in the Apache Foundation are contributors to the projects too. I don't see much contribution from SM to SM's actual project code. Unlike Apache.I am not disputing that she did so and did so inappropriately.

I would add, though, that it has prompted a necessary review and change that would not have occurred if she had not done so.In which case, the whole 'whining' that was made about how the DCO was 'misrepresented' to SM was totally unnecessary because if you didn't need copyright assignment, you actually wouldn't need CLAs in the first place, the DCO would be sufficient.Interesting, though not really relevant to the points at hand.


The sad truth is that I'm wasting my time and energy telling you and the rest of the projanisation[1] this because you stopped listening a long time ago. I only respond to this to add the alternative point of view for those playing along at home.

1.	Not a typo. There is a real inability to differentiate the two because most of the members of one are members of the other and vice versa. Meaning that there's not really any need to have both.

And I'll say this - you are consistent in your denial of the state of affairs. Like it or not, she's more right than wrong in this whole sorry state of affairs. I wonder what the SFLC will say in response to her comments to them about it.

Your constant denial and pretending that half the issues aren't present or aren't important taints the waters too. That entire fandango today that Yoshi raised, and the way it was handled by the people in charge, that taints the waters too. It's not for nothing that so many people who 'can do' have all upped and left over the years, far more than the usual churn that is expected with F/OSS development.

How many people on the project and/or organisation actually have contributed to *other* established F/OSS projects? How many people have any idea what it's like to do so?

:lol: Did I mention that one of the two drafts mods out there was written by me? ;) It even autosaves. And there are drafts on PMs too.I'd be quite happy to put it behind me but for the fact that I still want to believe they can fix things. All the time I keep that flicker alive, I stick around.I've read many hundreds and hundreds of topics, all identifying a great number of things that could be improved upon in small and not so small ways. A good many of the ideas I have forgotten but they all have in some way shaped my thinking about that things can almost always be improved.I'm slightly hesitant to straight-up implement that, though I'm not entirely sure why.

Board access underwent a huge overhaul. Access to boards is not a straight per-group yes/no any more, and hasn't been for a while. Firstly, seeing a board and entering a board are two separate things (by design), you can see a board without being able to enter it, good for paid subscriptions type boards perhaps. (The message shown for those boards defaults to 'This board is off limits to you" but is customisable.) The reverse is also true, it is possible to enter a board without it being on the board index if so configured.

Secondly, and perhaps more relevantly, it is possible to deny sight/access to boards to groups. So a troublemaker group can easily exist, can easily be 'deny access to all boards except <this one>'. But I'm a bit leery of implementing it, I just don't know why.

Hmm, that gives me another idea for infractions but there really is no good way to implement that cleanly at this juncture (I'm thinking that one of the infraction penalties would be 'restrict access to the Sin Bin board' or whatever it's called but that presents a variety of other matters that are troublesome from a UI standpoint as well as a logical standpoint (but certainly not insurmountably so, perhaps as a plugin)

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You mean 'Death On Two Legs' from A Night At The Opera? That's not 'considered' a hate song, it's fairly clearly so :P The real trick is knowing who it was 'dedicated to...' ;)

Given who the author of Footnotes was, is that really a surprise?