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I am coming round to it but before we start implementing anything like it, I need to know what we're going to do with posts from users you're ignoring because right now, they're pretty similar stylistically.
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Yes, because I can't help but think there's something else we can do that's better.
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* Arantor gets the distinct impression of being out voted... That's OK provided we implement it right though.
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Plugins / Re: Wedge + SMF Mods
« on February 16th, 2011, 09:47 PM »
Aaron, no I don't think it'll be quite that modular, certainly not to start with, perhaps not ever. Certainly I want to make it more modular, but the tradeoff with speed is potentially quite big.
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Plugins / Re: Wedge + SMF Mods
« on February 16th, 2011, 09:14 PM »
Definitely. If nothing else, we either have to make Highslide optional or write our own due to it's licence.

But yeah, that's the plan.
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Plugins / Re: Wedge + SMF Mods
« on February 16th, 2011, 08:28 PM »
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all mods except profile shouts, drafts, SA shop, annoy user and subaccounts
Profile shouts... is that anything like the thoughts system or what's in the profiles here?

Drafts... oh that's already implemented, and better than how I originally wrote the drafts mod. I may have to improve it since I seem to recall someone suggesting quick-moderation-like checkboxes to delete multiple drafts at once, though to be fair, it's now much easier to not save a draft if you don't want to (if you get into writing a message then decide not to post it, there's a remove button that nukes it straight away without having to go into your profile)

SA Shop will need a rewrite. Whether Sleepy Arcade does it or someone else does, I have little doubt that something similar will turn up.

Annoy User is indirectly on my plans to reimplement, seeing how that ultimately I want to get away from the ban system per se (it doesn't work, ultimately, as I discussed elsewhere). I will naturally implement it more cleanly than I did originally.

Subaccounts is the only one that's 'questionable' for me. I can well imagine shop mods, but subaccounts is something I've always thought was counter-intuitive to how the forum is designed structurally. Glancing at Dime's mod, I'm fairly sure we can implement something along those lines (most likely as a plugin) but I see it being quite late on in the day, so to speak - it would require a vast number of things to happen first. (I don't, really, have any great reason to stop it being core, but I don't have any great reason to include it either, if that makes sense)


There is not a single SMF mod that is compatible right now, not even avatar packs.

We don't intend to have a converter, we intend to have an importer, that sits built into the ACP and lets you drag information in from external sources - the plan is to have it support a modular structure that would let you import things other than forums (e.g. the ability to import from specific mods, like alternative gallery mods for example)

Aeva is almost certainly going to be implemented fully into Wedge, because one of the things we've talked about doing is to have Aeva manage attachments as well as being the gallery. I personally think this would kick ass, because it means all the really good stuff like using Highslide becomes available in the forum, as well as being able to place attachments 'in the post' as you like.
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Why?
I should probably make a screenshot to indicate the problem. The general point is that unless you have the deleted post do something other than just the same as moderated but with a different colour, it's noisy. If I delete a post, I'm indicating I don't want it there at all.

WP does this to a point and I don't like it there either - in WP's case, you get a big list of comments to look at, white BG = visible, yellow = moderated. When you delete a moderated post, it collapses to a much smaller row with 'this has been deleted'. The whole point of deletion is that I wanted to delete it, and it be gone, rather than to have traces left.

I guess it sort of depends on the interface style, but if you collapse it down to something like that, you still end up with something pretty similar visually to the whole 'You are ignoring this user' bit.

In short, whatever you do with it keeping it in the topic page, you still collide stylistically with one or other of what's already present.


As for shift-delete, that's still got problems, and all you end up with is SMF without the recycle bin, which is one step forward and then one back again.
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That's inline - sorta. The normal process for 'inline' is to throw a different background on it, like moderated posts currently do, and what SimpleDesk does - and that's wrong to me.

What XF does is nicer, much nicer, but it's still a bit close to "You are ignoring this user" for my liking.
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I haven't, no. Maybe I should...
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I think inline is going to compete with moderated, and if I have a spam post that was moderated, I don't want it just to change colour :P

Hence my thought that maybe we need to find something new to do about it.
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Features / Re: New revs
« on February 16th, 2011, 12:58 AM »
Revision: 599
Author: arantor
Date: 23:58:25, 15 February 2011
Message:
! Installer fixes: $to_header no longer defined for add_css_file, Subs-Cache would infinite loop due to missing $context['styles'], not to mention never actually finding the files it wanted. (install.php, Subs-Cache.php)
! Rewire board access to be based on a separate table, rather than the FIND_IN_SET against a text field. (install.sql, Load.php)

@todo
 Refit admin panel
 Provide facility for board/topic privacy to be configured since currently it is reusing the membergroups field to set $board_info['privacy'], though that doesn't appear to be used by anything right now.
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Load.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Subs-Cache.php
Modified : /trunk/other/install.php
Modified : /trunk/other/install.sql
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Then how do we display it? For that matter how do we restore ids after?

I think we can leave the table alone and just revamp the interface in some way...?
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I don't mean performance, I mean, I did it in SimpleDesk and it's not a killer - but it always felt so wrong to use.

To me, if you delete a post, you want rid of it, out of the thread entirely. I just can't see how it would be the way to do it in a forum. I think we need to look for plan C.
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Dragooon, have you tried working with it? It feels hideous in practice - just try it out in SimpleDesk.
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Specifically, I think inline deletion is a PITA, especially since it'll confuse people who have post moderation on, and I learned with SimpleDesk that it's not very effective. But that's me.

I don't think the recycle bin is the best way either, having seen this discussion in the last few days, so perhaps we need to step back and think of something else, that solves all our issues with it.