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Off-topic / Re: Post count fever
« on April 3rd, 2011, 06:37 PM »
14 years. It was due out in May but there was a last minute delay; worldwide release is scheduled for early June.
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Other software / Re: Looking for Portal Suggestions
« on April 3rd, 2011, 06:29 PM »
That's an awful lot of questions, none of which we're 100% sure about yet.
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Other software / Re: Looking for Portal Suggestions
« on April 3rd, 2011, 06:14 PM »
I like coding more. And from experience, fragmenting it like that is not a smart move.
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Other software / Re: Looking for Portal Suggestions
« on April 3rd, 2011, 06:07 PM »
And double our maintenance workload, great plan there.
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Other software / Re: Looking for Portal Suggestions
« on April 3rd, 2011, 05:22 PM »
You can't have it both ways, it's either customisable or it's fast. We're choosing customisable.
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Off-topic / Re: Post count fever
« on April 3rd, 2011, 02:28 AM »
Duke Nukem Forever, even with its month delay, is STILL going to beat SMF 2.0 out.
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Off-topic / Re: Post count fever
« on April 3rd, 2011, 12:06 AM »
Go spam sm.org then :P
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Off-topic / Re: Post count fever
« on April 2nd, 2011, 11:43 PM »
Pfft, you both need more practice.
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on April 2nd, 2011, 05:48 PM »
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I don't get your point, Pete, and I don't understand what you're suggesting we do.
I'm suggesting we stop farting about arguing with them about their apparent rules for signatures, that we stop trying to take the battle to their doorstep, when we can't fight them on their turf. Were the situations reversed, we wouldn't accept a link like that, and they couldn't fight us on our turf under those circumstances.

So, instead of wasting any more time trying to argue the point, let's instead concentrate on making Wedge as awesome as possible, then migrate our sites to it - and then we can link those in our signatures, competing on a level playing field, so people have the choice themselves what they do.
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on April 2nd, 2011, 04:40 PM »
You know what though?

As much as I'd like to believe that this could end gracefully, I know full well that it won't unless we take the choice to let it go. And therein's the thing: I've said that Wedge is the direct consequence of their combined failures to get it right, to make it what it could have been and not push out the people who can and will make a difference.

That hasn't changed one iota; Wedge was founded on the rising out of the embers of the fire that both Nao and I had in our hearts for SMF, out of the countless hours we both gave to the SMF ecosystem, out of all the things we saw being done wrong, or not being done to the very best they could.

It was never a battle of politics between us and them - not for one moment. It was a battle of ideologies, of hearts and minds, the bottom line is that we had plans for what SMF could have been, and we were previously prepared to help them make it happen, but our plans are not their plans.

Going our own way was inevitable, sooner or later, whether it was 'forcibly' after the events of last summer that compelled us to do this or not. I mean, had the alternative happened and we became SMF devs, it would only have been after 2.0 anyway that something like Wedge happened, because we'd have disagreed vehemently between what we wanted in 2.1 and what they would have wanted - remember, they take the view, legitimately even if it is somewhat naive, that they are 'only a forum' or 'a forum first and foremost'. That's not our view, that's not where we're going. So in the end it would have come down to us and them, the only difference was in the terms and timing of the split.

There is, much as I don't really want to accept it, a legitimacy to their point: we are still competition, by having signatures, we would be promoting competition on their site, and whether the rule predates this or not, the question you have to ask is whether we'd allow a link to simplemachines.org from a signature here, and I suspect the answer is no.

So, with that in mind, I henceforth ask everyone to remove images and website links from simplemachines.org pointing here. They've made it clear they don't have any issues with people linking to sites powered by phpBB in signatures - and that's right, they're not competing with simplemachines.org, no matter how it looks.

When the time comes, we can follow their example and link to Wedge powered sites in our signatures, just not here specifically - after all, that's not competing with simplemachines.org, is it?

This round is theirs, and legitimately so. But instead of us trying to compete with them directly on their battle ground, let's take the competition to the open market and let the two compete on an absolutely equitable basis, and then see how well it works out for all concerned.
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Other software / Re: SMF 2.0 Gold is released!!!!
« on April 2nd, 2011, 04:22 PM »
No, here's still 999 (and 112) for emergency numbers. 118* numbers here are for directory enquiries (it used to be just 192, but it's now out to different companies, of which 118-118 is probably the most successful with their gimmicky marketing)
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on April 2nd, 2011, 02:44 PM »
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- The SMF team has always been living by its 'core values'.
No, they claim to live by them but actually haven't for a long time. The number of times I can show you people breaking them over and over is not even funny - even though after January, everyone on team was asked to electronically sign a document agreeing to uphold them.
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- They have yet to give proof that they actually made up a rule about competition links BEFORE Pete started putting a link to Wedge in his signature.
The only rule I can ever remember being documented on this was to do with the paid adverts they have, that Google ads etc can't be linked to vB or MyBB or whatever and will be blocked. But I've never been told of any rule about it in signatures.
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- Seriously, they never made such a rule. That's unfair behavior.
See above.
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- So, everyone's entitled to put the link back into their signatures. If you're unsure, you can always copy and paste the corresponding Core Value, "Friendly Competition".
Yup.
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Putting a link in your signature without any other indication is not a demonstration of hate or antagonism. It's just sharing. The SMF team controls their board. They can dictate what people may have in their signatures, but they can't conflict with their core values -- especially if presented publicly with the evidence.
Oh, they can, quite easily.
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The day SMF starts violating its core values, can someone tell me -- what exactly are these core values worth?
That day was a long time ago.
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 2nd, 2011, 02:40 PM »
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Wow, what a blow.  I suppose you guys are going around talking a ton of bad nonsense on me?
Wasn't even talking about you. I was referring to JaZz who by the now-deleted posts seems to misunderstand what a portal is for, which doesn't strike me as a good foundation for developing one.
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Did not insult you in that topic.  I believe it started out with you insulting me bro.  Please let me know if you want me to spend the 2 hours of hunting down the topic and repeating POST BY POST so that I can actually prove this to you, if it makes you feel any better, k?  Telling me that I don't know the difference between in_array and empty.  That in_array is no where near empty and it can't be used and you provided an example.  And so you took what I said next offensively, which wasn't meant that way bro.  When I said that I was glad to have taught you something, I didn't mean it offensively!  Taken completely out of context.  Ofcourse, I'm not surprised by a person who thinks negatively either.
No, just belittling me and telling me you're 'glad to have taught me something', 'not surprised I set up a ranting site', and the comment about you used to listen to what I said but that I'm basically talking rubbish these days. If I tell you something and tell you that I'm glad to have taught you because I thought you knew it already, that IS an insult, however you spin it.

Apparently you don't know the difference between empty and in_array if you think they can do the same job - under some circumstances, they can, but it requires that you set things up right. Most of the time they don't, which means you're faffing about with array_flip and array_keys, which isn't always practical, like I mentioned.
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When Arantor confronted live627, I suppose he felt it would be better for live627 to confront us with the idea and let us know of his intentions of using Dream Portal's code in the SMF Fork.  And in that topic live627 stated that they were planning on using our code without using our Dream Branding.
There was no confrontation between me and live, 'confrontation' implies that there was a disagreement. I voiced the notion that we could look at its code and see if there was anything useful that could be used, in accordance with the BSD licence, which would mean keeping credits and attribution and copyrights where appropriate. It never got beyond a hypothetical, I never even started looking at DP's code after that point. Then it was relayed back to you guys, and you took umbridge that we were even considering it.
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I don't have enough time in a day to waste hunting down these topics and trying to prove my innocence for doing a FREE PROJECT.  If you have 12 hours a day to spend if you don't have a JOB, or any responsibilities in life to document everything you code for FREE, than GOOD FOR YOU!  Do not criticize, belittle, or mock others who don't do this, because of the lack of time and the LACK of people willing to actually help either!!
No-one's asking you to hunt down these topics. Notice that when you suggested you and I could go through it post by post, I didn't bother to reply, because I knew it would only be wasting my time.

Thing is, I do have responsibilities. I spend my time coding when not performing those responsibilities. Some of my responsibilities ARE coding. And in so doing, I am required to document my code. Thing is, a lot of the time, documentation should be written while the code is written, incorrect documentation is worse than no documentation, so keep it up to date as you change the code. Then it's done, and scores of people that follow you can make use of it.

Interesting point: Chris was the first person to ask me what SimpleDesk's equivalent of an SMF function was. Since I'd already documented it, I was able to point him in the direction of the documentation and not have to get into pointing him to the function and having to answer any questions about what it does.

I was unwilling to help you after it was made clear that DP wasn't interested in what I had to say. A project that thought attaching files to a thread was a good revision system, for example. Well, consider that with revision control you don't only get a log of what's physically changed, but you can denote in the commit note why you changed it - there's documentation right there! Do it as you go along.


Oh, and just in closing, you talked about negativity. Except that you started out here with a negative view because things are now out of their original context. Everything that started in that 3 page argument was because you took a single comment of mine out of context because it disagreed with your view. Who's being negative now?
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 2nd, 2011, 12:50 AM »
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I do understand that...but the portal is NOT for the experiences users is it? it is for the common man who want to have a forum/website with easy access to functions or mods...
Well done for completely missing my point.

I know even experienced admins who use SP or TP or others. The whole point of a portal is to be able to group certain content in a certain way, to present a front page, sidebar etc. i.e. to bring all the content together.

Except other than aesthetics and a few feature differences, there's not a lot to differentiate the portals.
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Hmmm, since I am getting curious here....were you involved with DP? and why the heck are you talking about porn? and what is it about this: "DP is in good hands with you"? I wanna contribute with the development as much as I can...I believe in the project and I have friends/resources that do as well...don't quite understand what I did to you Nao.....
What Nao is saying is that he thinks with development being carried out by someone who seemingly misses the point of what a portal does, it's not going to go very far.
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on April 2nd, 2011, 12:47 AM »
Quote from texasman1979 on April 2nd, 2011, 12:35 AM
with arantor and nao on the team, it really isnt fair competition. lol

thats like putting the dallas cowboys against a high school team. lol
Yeah, except we're the high school team that's going to kick their asses ;)