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Features: Posts & Topics / Re: Merge Double Posts
« on August 13th, 2011, 12:15 AM »
No, I just got caught up in some other stuff.

So, merging doesn't do anything in threaded mode then? Seems to beg the question why you'd bother doing it in that circumstance...
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Off-topic / Re: To fork or not to fork - in other words: Hi :)
« on August 12th, 2011, 09:54 PM »
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It seemed like the best choice to the team at the time.
Knowing as I do what happened of the forks of YaBBSE, of SuperMod and especially ttForum, I'm not especially surprised of the general reaction to forks.

The difference is that we're still respecting the terms of the licence (unlike ttForum, which just did a copy/paste of every mention of YaBBSE name and copyrights) and we aren't just grabbing a bunch of mods and shoving them in (unlike SuperMod, we're implementing features ourselves from fresh)

You're right that change comess slowly, but how long does it take? Wedge is almost one year old, is that not enough time for example? It's like a standing joke about the old national railway here in the UK, showed reputation for punctuality wasn't the very best, so much so that they acknowledged it by changing their slogan to "We're getting there." with the intimation that they had every intention of improvement but never managed to deliver.

I'd love to see SMF adopt a stable development cycle and start on the long road back to being nearer the top of the list than the bottom, but it needs to show some signs of change, right now it looks[1] as though development has mostly stagnated, the last commit that's referenced on Mantis is a month ago, and there isn't any indication of what 2.1 will look like. We've indicated where we're going, as has MyBB with 2.0, as well as XenForo's forthcoming 1.1, but I think SMF needs to step up and do the same.
 1. I am aware that there IS progress. But to an outsider, this is how it looks.
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Off-topic / Re: To fork or not to fork - in other words: Hi :)
« on August 12th, 2011, 05:36 PM »
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Really? They don't even allow anonymous checkouts?
You have to be a listed beta tester. And you generally don't get that just by asking.
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they have very high expectations and quality standards.
There's nothing wrong with having high expectations and standards, but if you're a public project and marketing yourselves as such, it seems foolish not to accept patches and contributions. The team was not exactly enthusiastic about accepting patches even from team members going back...
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Is there anywhere a comprehensive list of bugs in the 2.0 release code base?
Not really, no. There is a list of bugs outstanding in 2.0 in their Mantis install. Just look under SMF 2.1.
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nothing wrong with it as long as you don't tell anyone "we're an open source project".
You have no idea how often that argument was had, even leading to there being a page that ultimately explained 'why we think we're open'. For a long time I actually found myself agreeing with the philosophy, but that was before I got out and about and developed stuff in other communities over the last 2-3 years.
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Off-topic / Re: To fork or not to fork - in other words: Hi :)
« on August 12th, 2011, 05:06 PM »
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We're not talking about Git where people can commit and then a handful of overseers will apply their patches to the codebase.
I am given to understand that the plan is to move it onto Git in the future, but other things (outside of development, real life things) are in the way. Not so much that the people with the power are against the idea, merely that they haven't yet made it happen. But honestly, it's not a big job to convert, the entire thing can be basically automated.
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And there are plenty of reports flagged as 'private' (and not only for security, if you know what I mean...)
Yup. I'd say that there are more private reports that aren't security related than that are.

+1 to the rest.
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Features / Re: These two bytes may not matter to you...
« on August 12th, 2011, 04:19 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 12th, 2011, 04:18 PM
Love your sig, PantsMan :P
Aw, yeah, I didn't actually notice that before, but yes, that's awesome, haha!
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Features / Re: These two bytes may not matter to you...
« on August 12th, 2011, 04:14 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 12th, 2011, 04:05 PM
I must be even weirder, with my constant mix between US and UK expressions. That's what happens when you learn English mostly from TV shows and the Internet. You tend to hear a bit of both ;)
That's the thing, it never really struck me as weird; your English is better than that of most people I know, as it happens.
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Try living with an American in the UK (now naturalised I should point out)... She's infected me with Americanisms, and complains at me when I use them!
Score one for irony ;)
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Off-topic / Re: An old Friend
« on August 12th, 2011, 03:57 PM »
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Okay, so by saying "smoking" you pretty much gave it away. Smoky Blue?
Yeah, the artwork and the SL reference definitely give it away ;) Hiya, Smoky!
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Actually no, your e-mail at noisen.com wasn't the same so I'm not familiar with it.
I knew I recognised the email from somewhere but I couldn't put a name to it just from the handle in the email.
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Features / Re: These two bytes may not matter to you...
« on August 12th, 2011, 03:55 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 12th, 2011, 03:49 PM
Stop readin' the Oatmeal, FFS :P

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/minor_differences4
I say, what's that, old bean? :D

You forget, though, I'm firmly British and I regularly talk to Americans - and do find myself dealing with the accent barrier and more generally the language barrier. It's not a high barrier but it is a barrier nonetheless.[1]

But for true accent win, get a Brit, an American and a Canadian on the same conference call. ;)
 1. That pretty much proves I'm English. I have yet to see an American use 'nonetheless' and not mean it in a parody of Englishness, or otherwise trying to impress.
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Features / Re: These two bytes may not matter to you...
« on August 12th, 2011, 03:39 PM »
I was guessing American anyway, but I figured I'd clarify. US and UK English are very interestingly at odds with one another a lot of the time.
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Features / Re: These two bytes may not matter to you...
« on August 12th, 2011, 02:39 PM »
UK or US English, out of interest?
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Off-topic / Re: To fork or not to fork - in other words: Hi :)
« on August 12th, 2011, 02:08 AM »
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If you find good, reusable stuff in NightWish's fork, you'll be appropriating it, right?
We'll probably ask first and very likely implement it our own way anyway, rather than lifting the code wholesale.

I have privately also confirmed that I am quite willing for Nightwish to make use of one piece of code that interest has been expressed in regarding auto saving of posts.
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That's the reason SMF went to the BSD license -- to encourage forks, friendly competition, building on others' work, and outright appropriating code from one another.  If it fits.  With appropriate attribution, in the spirit and letter of the license.
That's not all the reason it went to the BSD licence but that's water under the bridge now.

Here's the thing that's bugging the hell out of me: it is claimed that SMF went BSD to encourage friendly competition - yet that same competition is actively censored, friendly or otherwise. As I was explaining to someone else yesterday, we were initially very friendly, until we were lied to, insulted, and generally crapped on.

I'm happy to share my ideas, and some of them I have shared publicly, but I have no desire to give anything back to SMF after everything it's given me.
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Off-topic / Re: To fork or not to fork - in other words: Hi :)
« on August 11th, 2011, 06:54 PM »
Yes, very true, I was just trying not to lose my temper a bit.
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Features / Re: These two bytes may not matter to you...
« on August 11th, 2011, 06:53 PM »
It does mean the same in English.
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Features: Posts & Topics / Re: Merge Double Posts
« on August 11th, 2011, 06:52 PM »
I got a little confused.

Post 1 is the parent of posts 2 and 3, and 3 is the parent of post 4, what happens if 1 and 2 are merged? They were posted in order by number, but your example seemed to put the 3/4 chain higher up in importance than 1/2.
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Off-topic / Re: To fork or not to fork - in other words: Hi :)
« on August 11th, 2011, 05:47 PM »
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You can be sure that other devs will be looking to use and build on your good ideas.
Good ideas are good ideas, doesn't require having been open sourced to use them. I'm just a bit sour about my ideas being reused at the moment.