Wedge

Like I said, it's beside the point who made it happen. The main reason I even mentioned it is to clear up the inaccuracy you mentioned and to ensure that if you are going to argue your case that you do so on solid ground, and not from some rose tinted view of things.

Yes, I figured it had been round the team boards first. We do that sometimes, too.

I love how certain supporters of this policy (like someone who doesn't adhere to the licence of a mod he was using) are active in discussing it.

The bottom line, folks, is this: open source encourages sharing of ideas, which is a wonderful thing. What is not so wonderful is when the sharing of things goes into code without respect for the time and effort that went into it.

For example, I am aware that the SMF project wanted, and for all I know still does want, to take control of SimpleDesk so it can be developed. Initially they weren't even going to ask me, but when I found out, I made it very clear that the only way that could happen is if they forked it. Guess what did not happen, despite it being BSD and always was. These are the people that I do not want to give any further access to what I produce, having been shown that they're only interested in it for what they can get, which does not include ideas but finished code that they can use.

Still, in all honesty I doubt there is much about Wedge that the SMF team would find that useful, after all they have repeatedly demonstrated that they aren't that interested in looking forwards. For example, one of the dev team won't even use 2.0 for their own sites because they prefer how 1.1 does permissions and would rather stick with that than understand how they really work and what the benefits of doing it in 2.0 actually are.

We will go BSD or CC, but as and when we are ready, not because we're bowing to your request and certainly not because we want to be showcased in your little recognition booth. We will just go BSD as and when SMF can't directly use our code and would have to do some of the work themselves in making use of the ideas presented, though most of them are far too controversial for SMF's conservative view of itself.

So, are they going to unban Nao so he can participate then?

It's fine. Yes, it will reset the session. As long as the same name is consistently used after replacing, it's absolutely fine.Other than the base is there anything we'd actually want to take verbatim from SMF anyway? Seems to me as though it's something we neither want or need to worry about.

There is already a mobile version built in.

We have talked about making a more modern mobile version, and Dragooon has a very nice theme for smartphones that he may decide to add to Wedge's core, but that's totally up to him whether he will or not.

Your standards aren't actually that far different from mine, and there's no point in getting frustrated when people do make mistakes because people do make mistakes. :)

I'm comfortable with a one-size-fits-all approach personally. You can't please all of the people all of the time, etc.

Those were the days.