Wedge

I wonder if switching to mysqli will make a difference, I suspect not, because I have a feeling this is ultimately caused by the mysqlnd internal driver, but we'll see.

I'll try it later when I get back from going out.

Oh and just to clarify; it isn't Wedge's fault. SMF does exactly the same on my setup.

Today has been a fuckup, and I'm really confused why things ended the way they did. OK, let me explain.

For the last 8 years, ever since I first dipped my toes into PHP, I've been running Apache, MySQL and PHP as separate components and making them work nicely together. Back then I was building on Linux, and doing it from source because my distro at the time didn't have anything useful to give me, and I guess I just ended up rolling with it.

So, now we make MySQL 5.1 a minimum and I find myself with a problem.

For reasons far too complicated to remember, I used to use MySQL 5.1 with a 5.0 connector. This fails in the installer, because it tests both the connector/client and server versions, because it's possible you'll end up using a stupid old connector with a current DB version - like I was, only it's possible to break more things than I had.

Cue an afternoon of trying to mix and match versions of things to make it all work properly, the best result I had was that PHP wouldn't load the MySQL libraries, and the worst was that PHP would crash if you tried to make a query.

So in the end I went to WampServer. After a little bit of brain ache trying to restore the virtual hosts that I have, because I have specific and weird configurations for things, I finally make it all work.

Then I go through the Wedge installer to verify it works, and it does.

Then I find something I do not understand, and after an afternoon of frustration, I'd like it to stop being a problem. I refer to the footer I encountered... "Page created in 1.10 seconds with 12 queries."

There is absolutely no fucking reason why it should be that slow on my PC. The queries aren't slow, in fact the queries aren't the problem in the slightest... Pulling up the query log shows me that the very first query occurs at in ...\Sources\Load.php line 37, which took 0.00071096 seconds at 1.04372096 into request.

So it's taking over a second before it even gets to actually do anything. :wow: So, I'm really, really confused as to what the hell's going on.

The only comfort is that this might be the first time I play with XDebug (as opposed to other debuggers) to figure out WTF is going on.

@AngelinaBelle, we wish it had been different, but it isn't like we didn't offer the opportunity for amends to be made.

I do actually have a scar on my head, though it's on my left eyebrow, not my forehead. Imagine me, aged 3, running round and round in circles in the living room, mostly because my parents told me not to, and promptly got dizzy and tripped and cut my head open on the TV stand.I don't mind Timothy Spall, his performance in Auf Wiedershen, Pet was good enough for me. My other half is really not a fan, because she thinks he looks like a weasel, so just right for the part in HP as well as Tim Burton's adaptation of Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street.[1]Or as my other half does, the aforementioned Sweeney Todd, the first Die Hard film, and in Love Actually...There's all kinds of reasons that could happen. Caching is the most likely suspect though.

1.	Incidentally, Alan Rickman's in that as well as the bad guy, Johnny Depp as the "good" guy and Sacha Baron Cohen's best performance yet, in my book. Couldn't have happened to a nicer person. I do not like SBC.

The change to GPL will occur shortly after the following events all come to pass:
1. GPLv4 is released that isn't hideously virus like in its approach, tainting everything it touches.
2. Richard Stallman steps down from being a hypocritical, misguided zealot.
3. It's the day after the 12th. The 12th of Never.

But it isn't "something like the old SMF licence." It is the old SMF licence with very minor changes, as per http://wedge.org/license/

The irony is that the licence change to a restricted licence is done to protect the code from perceived abuse from other directions.

That was the main thing I encountered; 5.3 is less forgiving than 5.2.It definitely is slower. But it remains to be seen whether it's better or not, because I know there are problems with locale libraries out there.Exactly. The one thing I will say is I very specifically still kept logic and presentation apart, just I didn't bother making them separate files. The result structure is still maintained, so I don't see a problem with it, provided that I don't do the same thing on larger stuff.Leave the hooks in - you still have to have points to call from. But I'd really rather not encourage people to be loading files there if possible.

For smaller stuff, like the aforementioned, you'll load presentation and logic and execute them. But for anything of any real substance, you'll load the logic separately and pull in a template if you need it, meaning that there's no real harm in leaving the facility for templates to load files but it's a habit that should be discouraged.Simply that SMF's DB library got it wrong at times and that types aren't always what they seem, such that it might be worth sometime figuring out what the maximum value per column is, to save some space on big forums.At least with the renames, you have a finite list to contend with, and it's (reasonably) confined to a find/replace witch hunt. DB fields on the other hand, aren't necessarily so.I don't think all the ones I've added are there either.No, because I updated it before committing so I didn't get a conflict anyway.Nope, the changes are prior to any of the changes in install.sql, and even manually reverting the changes in install.php, it still fails.

There is a secondary issue that I'm aware of on my configuration (for reasons I won't get into, I'm running 5.1 with a 5.0 connector library) but it shouldn't be failing how it is, it should be failing with an appropriate error.

Come to think of it, I didn't test with the 5.1 version number but have no idea why that should have caused it to fail the way it does.

It's also not that surprising, given how immature that support really is for PGSQL and SQLite. There are still some show-stopping bugs in it because no-one's using it.

I understand that vbgamer's choice was simply about the timing of acquisition of a domain name, i.e. ezforum in the com TLD. As for JBlaze, he has threatened to do something like this for a while...

And if Nao can be Voldefork, I can definitely be Ara Potter.