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The Pub / Re: Not using version numbers as such
« on May 27th, 2013, 10:32 PM »
Exactly. It's that kind of thing I want to deal with. People aren't built for numbers.

You ask them what kind of car they have, they can almost always tell you the make and model, but not so much the year it came out. People are just better, generally, at associating names with things rather than numbers, it's just how we're built.
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The Pub / Re: Not using version numbers as such
« on May 27th, 2013, 09:56 PM »
That's the beauty, if they don't remember correctly, they just need to be 'almost right'.

But how many people get the SMF version number wrong. Only today I've seen '1.18' (1.1.18), 20.4, 2.4 2.4rc (all actually meaning 2.0.4)... give them a name to focus on instead and it'll be clearer. Sure we can still use a number internally but name seems a better prospect all in all to me.

* Arantor is amazed there is someone with a lower opinion of user intelligence than him
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The Pub / Re: Not using version numbers as such
« on May 27th, 2013, 09:34 PM »
On that note a certain star system from a certain space faring game comes to mind[1] :lol:

I'm good with anything that gives us plenty of distinctive names that isn't really used by anyone else. Egyptian mythology is cool, constellations and star names are cool. Not quite so keen on element names unless we pick the obscure ones, heh. Francium comes to mind :lol: And Europium.
 1. The original version of Elite back in the 1980s had procedural systems and whatnot, generated from lookup tables, one of which managed to generate Arse as a system name.
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The Pub / Re: Not using version numbers as such
« on May 27th, 2013, 07:06 PM »
Would that really be any worse than what users do now with SMF?

If just one person gets it right that wouldn't have otherwise, that's a net win, yes?
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The Pub / Re: Not using version numbers as such
« on May 27th, 2013, 06:07 PM »
Some good ideas there :)

There's always rare stones, e.g Sapphire, Topaz, Garnet, etc. (just not Ruby :lol:)... "Wedge, the jewel of the forum world" :lol:

I wonder what @Nao thinks.
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The Pub / Not using version numbers as such
« on May 27th, 2013, 05:21 PM »
OK, so after yet another badly worded support question "using smf 2.0.4 or something like that", it made me wonder, should we consider not using numbers for versions but instead using names?

I am still amazed how many people mangle the version number with SMF to date.

I don't mean doing quite what Ubuntu does, I don't see us doing Messed-Up Mallard or Braindead Badger or whatever the hell they're naming Ubuntu these days - nor do I quite have the same idea we had for SimpleDesk, which was to give each release an animal theme (and we all had appropriate avatars, the first round we all had cat avatars and named it Felidae, the cat species, the second round was Anatidae for ducks)

I just think we could use something a bit different to give them names. My gut instinct is to go with mythological names but I know phpBB did that (they have Olympus and other such mythological names) and I'd rather do something a bit different.

Thoughts?

(I just figure that if we go for distinctive names it'll be easier than trying to get people to get the version *number* right)
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Off-topic / Re: Concerning Email Option on Registration Screen
« on May 27th, 2013, 03:57 PM »
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean ;)

The codebases are quite a bit divergent, and getting further apart in both terms of behaviour as well as appearance - like the member options screen is gone, moved elsewhere and given a sane makeover.

But stuff like this largely hasn't changed and needs to be.
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Off-topic / Re: Concerning Email Option on Registration Screen
« on May 27th, 2013, 03:50 PM »
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The scenario is that a spammer sees a member allowing members to send them emails. They want to trick them into sending back an email, so they use the forum email system to send an email asking for help. I just tried it and I got an email with the other member's email as the sender. So if they reply via email - the original sender has their email address. This is all going on outside the PM system.
Really? Ah, well, another thing I didn't realise SMF did that I need to change. The list is surprisingly long at times.
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Modify Profile --> Personal Messaging --> Save a copy of each personal message in my sent items by default.
Really? Go to your profile on this site. I'll wait.
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There should not be an option for this either.
Yes, I know.
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Off-topic / Re: Concerning Email Option on Registration Screen
« on May 27th, 2013, 03:19 PM »
As an aside before I answer the above, it's interesting that even Nao and I don't know the specifics of *every* nook and cranny of Wedge, especially in the SMF heritage.
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I don't think it's something that should be available for the Admin to muck around with (allow viewable email addresses).
Agreed.
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Second: If you allow members to send you email then a person wanting to send spam can send it via email whether or not your email address is shown in the forum.
I'm of the opinion this feature should probably go anyway. I see more people who want to remove it than would appear to use it.
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Third: People are naive and so there's still a way to get your email address. All a person has to do is send out email asking for help with a forum function to a user (not obvious spam).
PM notifications do not use the sender's email address.
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"Hey can you tell me how to use save my sent items in the PM system? I don't want to use it before I set that so I sent you an email."
I'd be slightly worried if a member asked that... seeing how there's no option for it at all and it's done automatically ;)
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My answer: "Oh yes they are."
I've been criticised in the past for my low opinion of the average user, but I never fail to be amazed how naive (and/or stupid) your 'average user' can be.

For example, it happens probably once a week that someone asks on sm.org about how they fix their message list being 'newest first' and they want it 'oldest first'. You know, like it defaults to. They *must* have changed it and have no idea how they changed it or how to change it back >_<
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Off-topic / Re: Concerning Email Option on Registration Screen
« on May 27th, 2013, 02:41 AM »
Since when?!
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Off-topic / Re: Concerning Email Option on Registration Screen
« on May 27th, 2013, 01:02 AM »
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Themes and Layout Settings --> Member Options
Do you want the good news or the bad news?

OK, here's the bad news. That screen doesn't exist in Wedge. At all. It's not pining, it's passed on. This parrot is no more. It has ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet its maker. It's a stiff, bereft of life, it rests in pieces. If you hadn't mentioned it, it'd be pushing up the daisies. It's rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. This is an ex-screen!

The good news is that I turned them all into a single, sane, screen inside the Admin > Members > Member Options screen.


To answer your actual question. There's several facets to it. Firstly, it's not a theme level option like the ones you're referring to, it's an account level option and is stored elsewhere in the database.

Secondly, if you look back to SMF 1.1.x, the option isn't - in fact - 'Allow other users to email me', it is actually 'Hide my email address from others'. Yup, that's right, in 1.1.x the default is to show emails to the world. But the world was a nicer place in 2006. The internet was nicer back then. But it was changed in 2.0, of course.

Making it a preference in the manner you suggest is a surprising amount of fuss at a technical level, when I could just simply remove it from the registration screen. I don't know anyone that would legitimately enable it knowing what it actually meant and it is in their account settings if they want to enable it otherwise.

More interestingly, this raises a bigger question: do we actually need 'emailing other users' anyway? What's wrong with using PMs?

As I see it we could just ditch the ability to email other people, take out that option and users wouldn't have their email address mentioned in their profile at all except to senior site members. Then of course would be the inevitable 'but I can't see emails waaaaah' response. But that's a minority, I hope.
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Features / Re: New revs
« on May 26th, 2013, 11:39 PM »
(9 files, 12KB)

Revision: 2134
Author: arantor
Date: 26 May 2013 22:38:23
Message:
! Improved maintenance: allow moving old topics based on number of days, picking source boards, that kind of thing. I even tried to get the translation right. (Oh, yes, I did also clean up the strings slightly to fix compounding issues.) (ManageMaintenance.php, ManageMaintenance.template.php, ManageMaintenance language file)

! Remove bulk topics: there are two kinds of locked topics, not accounted for in SMF either, also in our case it's possible that the remove topics function could be called, legitimately, for a topic that no longer exists. This should be able to be handled safely without an error (intentionally) (RemoveTopic.php)

! When approving posts, the last message id needs to be recalculated otherwise weird things can happen, like messages you can't actually mark as read. (Subs-Post.php)

! Post moderation status needs to be maintained more than before now there are other ways to get posts moderated that aren't related to the moderation filters. (Load.php, ManageModeration.php, Post2.php)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Load.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageMaintenance.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageModeration.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Post2.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/RemoveTopic.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Subs-Post.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/ManageMaintenance.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageMaintenance.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageMaintenance.french.php
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Features / Re: Miscellaneous/WIP screenshots
« on May 26th, 2013, 10:25 PM »
I know it's not a new idea, but I fixed up the old topic maintenance to be a little more useful. (And yes, the checkbox in the category names is indeed a selector for the entire category)
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Archived fixes / Re: Background Colour Inconsistency!?
« on May 26th, 2013, 10:23 PM »
Does IE9 support gradients (especially radial gradients)?
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Features / Re: Silly menu experiment...
« on May 26th, 2013, 06:53 PM »
Actually I'd argue they should be moved off the menu anyway. Login is already in the sidebar along with a registration link, and we could always push a logout button there. But that raises the same objection I had to the notifications block being in the sidebar - namely that me and people like me will never see it >_<