Wedge

It is a good thing then that both SMF and Wedge allow you to just disable it without even having to edit anything then, isn't it?

Well, it's not SMF being like that, it's the sites that insist on proper XHTML... which can have SEO issues (and will be just as much of an issue in ANY system)

Of course most mods work on the default theme... they were designed for the default SMF theme, and yes, if a custom theme does something custom it's going to be a problem... this is expected. It's part of the design, to a point.

SMF 2.0 just doesn't offer the functionality to support doing it with hooks, 2.1 isn't a lot better, Elkarte and Wedge are much stronger (especially Wedge) in that department.

2.1's theme, Curve II, isn't actually that nice. I find it quite bland, actually.

Well, threaded is gone in 2.0. (Just like it is gone in vB 4 and IPB 3.4)[1]

They're also adding "SEO friendly" (blah) URLs by default and some other stuff that just makes me feel all meh about it.

I get what you mean about premium MyBB themes, but to a point the same is true of SMF, most of the free themes are fairly dull and insipid.

As far as our admin panel is concerned, it is a bit different to SMF's. I actually don't like MyBB's admin panel. It's organised but it's stark, even with the Sharepoint theme and having a huge page for 25 options seems intimidating. I would draw your attention to http://wedge.org/pub/feats/7097/don-t-know-if-i-shared-it-publicly-or-not/ - while it's a picture from last year using the old Wedge default theme (yes, we've been through more than one already, that's Wine as opposed to Weaving), the sentiment is still exactly the same. (I haven't changed it that significantly in the intervening time, though there are more icons and stuff than before)

There is also the thing I mocked up as http://wedge.org/pub/feats/7159/some-admin-menu-changes/msg274290/#msg274290 though it has a few more options in it now IIRC.

As far as resources go, so far Wedge looks like it might be lighter in some respects and heavier in others compared to MyBB, but we're still in active development and changing big things so that may well change.

SMF doesn't have me any more, btw.

What do you mean that 'MyBB handles themes much better than SMF' exactly?

1.	As an aside, we've talked about adding it in Wedge because it does have a place and a use, but the UI invariably sucks.

Actually it does make a lot of sense if it's controlled by the board itself rather than anything else - keep privacy at topic level but make everything else board level for presentation.

The biggest hurdle then actually becomes performance management, right now the board access setup is a performance bottleneck if you have too many boards. Need to figure out a way of fixing that.

Um, why aren't you using the XML interface? Just curious.

So I looked at this and realised that by necessity it must do that seeing how it needs all three parameters to be able to get the plugin id. But in almost every case a plugin should be using the XML interface; it should only ever need the hook directly if it's going to dynamically generate actions that aren't pre-known at the point of registering the plugin.

I blame PHP type juggling...

I'm waiting for the day when someone mouths off that I don't know what I'm talking about. Because you just know it's going to happen.

So I've heard. I find it interesting given how the people who claim MyBB's support is lovely are the people who bitch loudest about SMF's.

I can't wait for that when it happens here :niark: