Wedge

@Boko: To an extent the two are surprisingly similar. When it comes out in the wash, pretty much anything you see here will be available. The only time it's going to be any different is when we get to having a download system and a mod site which will be run by us and may or may not be available depending on how we do it.

@xrunner: It has happened that we've offered useful information back to them in the past and got it linked to here, e.g. I seem to recall debates about SMF development, when we'd already done it... hell, I posted a few requests for features with screenshots of what I'd already done ;)

Honestly? No.

The initial support is likely to be full of whiners complaining though -_- about people who expect it to be perfect and not beta when it first emerges (since of course we can't test it as thoroughly as we'd like ourselves, just because we're only human.

Well... SMF and Wedge both offer the ability to cap signature images to a reasonable size, and both offer users the ability to opt out of seeing signatures if they so choose.

Note that Wedge infractions can even handle the case of a user with an annoying signature and you can remove it from them as part of the warning ;)

The problem with Vanilla is that I already think it's unintuitive. The use case is primarily around having a single board and only a single board (niche forums, yo) and having meta-data to indicate the context of the topics, e.g. what amount to tags and topic prefixes. You end up with tags that categorise topics, and tags to classify topics, subtle but different. It's much like how you can put a blog article in multiple categories in WP but give each article its own set of tags as well.

In SMF/Wedge terms, their overall categorisation would be to our boards, with tags per topic as well, and then just show everything as if it were in one board sort of making the whole thing pointless. Though you can get per-board listings too.

Designwise, the key word is minimalism. The categorisation is primarily about giving some taxonomy to topics while everything else is just about shoving the content at you with as little fluff as possible. This, depending on your perspective, may be a bad thing.

I don't know where exactly, but it is.

Just for shits'n'giggles I thought I'd install Wedge on 000webhost, to see if the 'white screen of lying-about-memory' came up. So I'm installing SVN, updated with latest changes plus a few in my local repo but that are absolutely unrelated[1] and I get all kinds of excitement when wading through the install process.

These will produce a couple of thousand errors per regeneration of the CSS.

8: Undefined index: selector
Apply Filter: Only show the errors from this file
File: /home/a2849756/public_html/forum/Sources/Class-CSS.php
Lines 883, 929, 954, 970, 985, 1107, 1239

8: Undefined offset: 3
Apply Filter: Only show the errors from this file
File: /home/a2849756/public_html/forum/Sources/Class-CSS.php
Line: 1325

8: Undefined offset: 4
Apply Filter: Only show the errors from this file
File: /home/a2849756/public_html/forum/Sources/Class-CSS.php
Line: 1326

2: implode() [<a href='function.implode'>function.implode</a>]: Invalid arguments passed
Apply Filter: Only show the errors from this file
File: /home/a2849756/public_html/forum/Sources/Subs-Cache.php
Line: 686


I dunno what's wrong with it since it works fine locally with the same files.

1.	Moving a call hook in index.php, a tweak to number_context in Subs.php and a slight change to the installer to test for SimpleXML.

It does, yes.

So as you guys know, I've done 'System Visitations' where I glance around each of the different forum systems that I have licenses for (or are open source) for commentary purposes, seeing what they do, whether they have features we don't, that kind of thing.

I asked this on the thoughts and got a few mixed responses. So I thought I'd make it a poll. We don't have enough polls on this site. NEED MOAR POLLS.


Previously on System Visitations:
MyBB 1.6.10
vBulletin 3.8.7
IPB 3.4.5 (plus the rest of the suite)

Yes, but why? Note that there are plenty of people who dislike the posts being shown as well as preferring the lack of clutter.It's a good thing then that we have Bad Behaviour without the httpBL component, isn't it? Almost like we knew in advance that it was a problem.This strikes me as a very bad thing. Aside from performance, objection number 1 is that you can screw up your site and not leave yourself the ability to fix it without manually editing the database. Objection number 2 is that it still presumes you're doing this ridiculous thing of find/replace on templates (which is really no different to SMF, just presented slightly differently) and objection 3 is that there is actually a security risk of having executable code in a place that you don't have total control over.Ugh, I looked at that and thought it fragile. I'd also note that SMF and Wedge bbcode is inherently much more powerful than what amounts to simple find/replace bbcode. Also note that SMF back in 1.0 days did pretty much the same as what MyBB does until they changed it to what SMF and Wedge do now, because it was discovered that a single carefully written post could cause a minor denial of service attack. (As I mentioned in my post.)