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Plugins / Plugin copyrights in the footer
« on January 13th, 2012, 10:22 AM »
I've been involved in this debate on sm.org, and I gotta say the way it's being handled is so badly trying to be grown up, but it falls short on more than one level.[1]
As I pointed out, not only did a suitable resolution not occur previously but their current stance of 'no little mods can do it' is actually worse than having a clear 'yes/no' rule, because what it means is that it's now totally subjective as opposed to reasonably objective.
So, I spent time thinking about this, and honestly the solution I'm most happy with is simply to disallow it entirely, at least on the public site that we operate in some fashion.
There's a credits page, use it, that's what it's there for. Sadly, I can fully imagine mods putting themselves into that page for every whiff and whim, but it's not the same as forcing into the footer on every page when it's not necessary or desirable. (It's not like there's actually room in any case)
As I pointed out, not only did a suitable resolution not occur previously but their current stance of 'no little mods can do it' is actually worse than having a clear 'yes/no' rule, because what it means is that it's now totally subjective as opposed to reasonably objective.
So, I spent time thinking about this, and honestly the solution I'm most happy with is simply to disallow it entirely, at least on the public site that we operate in some fashion.
There's a credits page, use it, that's what it's there for. Sadly, I can fully imagine mods putting themselves into that page for every whiff and whim, but it's not the same as forcing into the footer on every page when it's not necessary or desirable. (It's not like there's actually room in any case)
| 1. | Like team members going round and saying things, then back-pedalling with "this is just my personal opinion". When you wear a team badge, you represent the team. Simple as that. If you're expressing a personal opinion, disclaim it up front. It's not hard. |
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Plugins / Re: Plugins NOT modifying core files
« on January 13th, 2012, 10:13 AM »
Any more opinions?
It doesn't change any code at all since there's no code implemented for this as yet.
It doesn't change any code at all since there's no code implemented for this as yet.
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Plugins / Re: Exposing bbcode to the plugin manager
« on January 13th, 2012, 08:11 AM »
Offhand I actually don't know. I'll try it out later today.
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Features / Re: New revs - Public comments
« on January 13th, 2012, 08:10 AM »
Yeah, it needs to be done, but there's no hurry...
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Plugins / Re: Exposing bbcode to the plugin manager
« on January 13th, 2012, 03:42 AM »
Actually, in the other platforms they're a fair bit simpler, because they don't have the same flexibility. You just don't see the variations, IIRC in vB at least they're always [bbcode=something] format, never anything else.
Even their quote code is really dull, it's simply [quote=author;postid].
Even their quote code is really dull, it's simply [quote=author;postid].
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Features / Re: New revs - Public comments
« on January 13th, 2012, 03:41 AM »
Not brave enough right now. Today's been an... interesting day.
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Plugins / Re: Exposing bbcode to the plugin manager
« on January 13th, 2012, 02:56 AM »
OK, so the core functionality is now supported, plugins can add their own bbcode and have it cleaned up on disable. More reliable than doing manual DB queries, anyway.
Now, for my next trick, some kind of UI...
I bet most people here do not realise how complex bbcode actually is. There are, for example, 8 different internal types of bbcode all for different purposes.
Now, for my next trick, some kind of UI...
Posted: January 13th, 2012, 02:54 AM
I bet most people here do not realise how complex bbcode actually is. There are, for example, 8 different internal types of bbcode all for different purposes.
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Features / Re: New revs
« on January 13th, 2012, 02:52 AM »
Revision: 1251
Author: arantor
Date: 13 January 2012 01:52:07
Message:
! Happy New Year: updated visible copyright dates. Not brave enough to update every file in distribution so left it purely at the publicly visible dates. (install.php, upgrade.php, Credits.php, Who language file)
! bbcode can be added through the plugin manager. Seems to cover everything that should be supported at this point as well as enforcing the rules around what data goes with what bbcode. (install.sql, plugin-info.rng, ManagePlugins.php)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Credits.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManagePlugins.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Who.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Who.french.php
Modified : /trunk/other/install.php
Modified : /trunk/other/install.sql
Modified : /trunk/other/plugin-info.rng
Modified : /trunk/other/upgrade.php
Author: arantor
Date: 13 January 2012 01:52:07
Message:
! Happy New Year: updated visible copyright dates. Not brave enough to update every file in distribution so left it purely at the publicly visible dates. (install.php, upgrade.php, Credits.php, Who language file)
! bbcode can be added through the plugin manager. Seems to cover everything that should be supported at this point as well as enforcing the rules around what data goes with what bbcode. (install.sql, plugin-info.rng, ManagePlugins.php)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Credits.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManagePlugins.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Who.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Who.french.php
Modified : /trunk/other/install.php
Modified : /trunk/other/install.sql
Modified : /trunk/other/plugin-info.rng
Modified : /trunk/other/upgrade.php
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Off-topic / Re: Chrome: clear all cookies at exit but one
« on January 12th, 2012, 10:55 PM »
Then there isn't a good answer and you should go ask the devs of that online solution how to address it. Their software prevents you using these tools, it's their problem to fix.
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Off-topic / Re: Chrome: clear all cookies at exit but one
« on January 12th, 2012, 08:07 PM »
I did. Use incognito mode for all the stuff you don't want saved, and normal mode for those you do.
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Off-topic / Re: Chrome: clear all cookies at exit but one
« on January 12th, 2012, 06:54 PM »
Use incognito mode then the cookies won't be saved.
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Plugins / Re: Show Hooks
« on January 12th, 2012, 04:47 PM »
This is looking like a very sexy plugin.
Have to say, actually, late last night I was thinking about this particular plugin and whether it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some kind of SDK package as a single plugin that included this, plus other tools (like the DB structure -> XML plugin I mentioned, as well as one for converting bbcodes you'd developed in the to-be-built editor into XML)
Have to say, actually, late last night I was thinking about this particular plugin and whether it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some kind of SDK package as a single plugin that included this, plus other tools (like the DB structure -> XML plugin I mentioned, as well as one for converting bbcodes you'd developed in the to-be-built editor into XML)
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Plugins / Re: Exposing bbcode to the plugin manager
« on January 12th, 2012, 03:55 PM »
-sigh- I'm not being funny but I really wish people would read the entire thread before posting.
Right up there in my first post.Quote It's going to happen. Just after I do this bit because some of the code will be reliant on the things I'm doing right now (not a lot, mind, but enough to make me want to be sure I have this part working before I do that)
Right up there in my first post.
Yes, I want to make a custom bbcode interface part of the core,
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Plugins / Re: Exposing bbcode to the plugin manager
« on January 12th, 2012, 09:36 AM »
Hmm, if users don't like a particular tag they'll probably just remove it anyway.
Might as well just leave it structurally as it is (disabling overall tags)
Might as well just leave it structurally as it is (disabling overall tags)
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Off-topic / Re: CloudFlare
« on January 12th, 2012, 09:05 AM »
Because the author's an arrogant tool whose skills are more in his imagination than in reality?