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Off-topic / Re: Next System Visitation
« on May 31st, 2013, 04:40 PM »
In which case you already have your answer and don't need me to further validate what you already know or suspect to be true. But I'm still not doing system X versus system Y unless there is a *specific* reason to compare them.
I have no doubt, for example, that I will be comparing XF with vB 3 when I get to reviewing it because XF's developers are ex vB developers (Kier Darby was lead dev of vB 3.x as well as XF), but that's also to see how things have evolved, and what has stayed the same in that time. That's a similar comparison in a lot of ways to SMF 1.0 to 1.1 to 2.0 which is something I might do sometime just if I get bored; there's nothing to learn from the earlier SMF history.[1]
I have no doubt, for example, that I will be comparing XF with vB 3 when I get to reviewing it because XF's developers are ex vB developers (Kier Darby was lead dev of vB 3.x as well as XF), but that's also to see how things have evolved, and what has stayed the same in that time. That's a similar comparison in a lot of ways to SMF 1.0 to 1.1 to 2.0 which is something I might do sometime just if I get bored; there's nothing to learn from the earlier SMF history.[1]
| 1. | There are no significant functionality removals between 1.0 and 2.0, only new features, so it then becomes a point of figuring out what was added when. |
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Off-topic / Re: Initial forecasts of Wedge installs/conversions
« on May 31st, 2013, 04:36 PM »
Which raises another problem. Precisely the one SMF faces.
If we give private support, that would presume they get better service than the regular users. Which means we actively need to leave regular users without support for a while to give premium users premium support, simple as that. Which means we then lose users because of 'poor' support.
As stated, users have long gotten better support in the public boards than the private ones on sm.org.
Private customisation is a separate topic again. Usually that involves a third party designer or developer, who will use other resources like PMs to negotiate - nothing we need to deal with.
If we give private support, that would presume they get better service than the regular users. Which means we actively need to leave regular users without support for a while to give premium users premium support, simple as that. Which means we then lose users because of 'poor' support.
As stated, users have long gotten better support in the public boards than the private ones on sm.org.
Private customisation is a separate topic again. Usually that involves a third party designer or developer, who will use other resources like PMs to negotiate - nothing we need to deal with.
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Plugins / [Plugin] Re: Notifications system (1.0)
« on May 31st, 2013, 04:34 PM »
Yes, they're required to view notifications, however the notifications are pulled AJAXively, yes? In which case that would presume you only need to load it for the cases when a user is actually viewing them (i.e. as part of the AJAX service) rather than every page load.
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Off-topic / Re: Next System Visitation
« on May 31st, 2013, 04:32 PM »
In which case you sort of missed the point of what I've been doing.
With each system I've been tackling it on its good points and its bad, reasonably objectively. Certainly that's the case with vB 3 and IPB 3, I'm interested in what the strengths and weaknesses of the platforms are. I'm looking at each platform to see if there's anything interesting or useful they've done that might inspire us.
MyBB... if you listen to its support community, one of its strengths is simply 'it's not SMF'. I want to understand if it is one of MyBB's strengths and if so, why. Does it mean there is something we need to change in Wedge? Is it just fanboys spitting out their cereal in disbelief? It's not about comparing the two as such, it's about understanding whether one of its supposed strengths really is one of its strengths.
I don't care about whether platform X is better than platform Y, and I'm certainly not anyone's review service. I'm not here to provide you recommendations for one platform over another and I'm sorry if that's all you're taking away from this series. I care whether platform X has features that we can implement or improve upon in Wedge.
With each system I've been tackling it on its good points and its bad, reasonably objectively. Certainly that's the case with vB 3 and IPB 3, I'm interested in what the strengths and weaknesses of the platforms are. I'm looking at each platform to see if there's anything interesting or useful they've done that might inspire us.
MyBB... if you listen to its support community, one of its strengths is simply 'it's not SMF'. I want to understand if it is one of MyBB's strengths and if so, why. Does it mean there is something we need to change in Wedge? Is it just fanboys spitting out their cereal in disbelief? It's not about comparing the two as such, it's about understanding whether one of its supposed strengths really is one of its strengths.
I don't care about whether platform X is better than platform Y, and I'm certainly not anyone's review service. I'm not here to provide you recommendations for one platform over another and I'm sorry if that's all you're taking away from this series. I care whether platform X has features that we can implement or improve upon in Wedge.
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Plugins / [Plugin] Re: Notifications system (1.0)
« on May 31st, 2013, 04:15 PM »
All in one page? Right now having two pages is confusing ;) I got no problems with AJAXifying stuff as needed.
Also, something I noticed... the notifications core plus all notifications that hook into it are all loaded every page load... do we need to load them every page load or only if we're actually going to send notifications (or do something else notification related)?
Also, something I noticed... the notifications core plus all notifications that hook into it are all loaded every page load... do we need to load them every page load or only if we're actually going to send notifications (or do something else notification related)?
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Off-topic / Re: Next System Visitation
« on May 31st, 2013, 04:13 PM »
Update: I've added SMF 2.1 alpha to the party as an option if anyone's curious to see what the changes are from 2.0 to 2.1.
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Plugins / [Plugin] Re: Notifications system (1.0)
« on May 31st, 2013, 04:12 PM »
I'm not so bothered by the core part of it, because I know it can handle it - it's the UI for the user, selecting what topics they want - and more importantly opting out of topics - that I'm a bit fuzzier on. Essentially we need to somehow splice the old thing into the shiny thing :P
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Plugins / [Plugin] Re: Notifications system (1.0)
« on May 31st, 2013, 03:51 PM »
I know the plan is to migrate all principle notifications to the shiny notifications system, but I actually found myself intrigued by what IPB offers in this direction.
They allow for notifications being controlled by admin as to whether email or notification is sent, and whether the user has a choice in the matter.
The other aspect about it that's quite important is that I don't really see how board/topic (set to notify etc.) will fit into what the notifications configuration currently has... right now there's facilities for selecting whether you want it or not and whether you want emails on it as well/or not. But boards/topics explicitly require more complex notifications.
Right now the choices are 'new topics in a board I have set to notify me about' and 'new replies to topics I have set to notify me about' but I can well imagine that people would also want 'notifications of topics I've previously replied to' (which amounts to turning notifications on for a topic when replying, at least by default)
And since there are likely to be many... we come back to the other notifications page that we haven't killed off yet.
They allow for notifications being controlled by admin as to whether email or notification is sent, and whether the user has a choice in the matter.
The other aspect about it that's quite important is that I don't really see how board/topic (set to notify etc.) will fit into what the notifications configuration currently has... right now there's facilities for selecting whether you want it or not and whether you want emails on it as well/or not. But boards/topics explicitly require more complex notifications.
Right now the choices are 'new topics in a board I have set to notify me about' and 'new replies to topics I have set to notify me about' but I can well imagine that people would also want 'notifications of topics I've previously replied to' (which amounts to turning notifications on for a topic when replying, at least by default)
And since there are likely to be many... we come back to the other notifications page that we haven't killed off yet.
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Off-topic / Re: Next System Visitation
« on May 31st, 2013, 03:37 PM »
Nothing wrong with that :) Oh and don't worry I'll be looking! :niark:
Unless XF gets a landslide of votes, I'm hoping to put it off a bit until 1.2 becomes available. There's a *lot* of changes in XF 1.2, partly because of the lawsuit - you only have to go to http://xenforo.com/community/forums/have-you-seen/?prefix_id=30 (all the topics with the 1.2 prefix) to see what's new.
Unless XF gets a landslide of votes, I'm hoping to put it off a bit until 1.2 becomes available. There's a *lot* of changes in XF 1.2, partly because of the lawsuit - you only have to go to http://xenforo.com/community/forums/have-you-seen/?prefix_id=30 (all the topics with the 1.2 prefix) to see what's new.
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Plugins / Re: Notifications (Reported Post)
« on May 31st, 2013, 03:14 PM »
There is a bug relating to that at present :/
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Off-topic / Re: Initial forecasts of Wedge installs/conversions
« on May 31st, 2013, 03:12 PM »
Which is quite a sad indictment of the system, really.
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Off-topic / Re: Initial forecasts of Wedge installs/conversions
« on May 31st, 2013, 03:08 PM »
$50 per year, access to their private helpdesk as well as access to the Charter members' private board. Before SMF put itself on Github, charter members used to receive pre-release versions of SMF more frequently than the public did but that doesn't happen any more.
Mostly it's just a way for you to officially support them should you want to, because the offerings these days probably aren't worth it (better support publicly for example)
Mostly it's just a way for you to officially support them should you want to, because the offerings these days probably aren't worth it (better support publicly for example)
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Off-topic / Re: Initial forecasts of Wedge installs/conversions
« on May 31st, 2013, 02:30 PM »
Wait, they STILL haven't gotten that terribly-difficult 30 page form filled in?
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Plugins / Re: Notifications (Moved Topic)
« on May 31st, 2013, 02:29 PM »
That isn't what I meant :P
When someone moves a topic, they have the choice to send/not send a message to the topic starter (unless they ARE the topic starter) that the topic has been moved. This would probably be a better way of doing it than sending PMs, but when I wrote that feature, we didn't have notifications.
When someone moves a topic, they have the choice to send/not send a message to the topic starter (unless they ARE the topic starter) that the topic has been moved. This would probably be a better way of doing it than sending PMs, but when I wrote that feature, we didn't have notifications.
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Plugins / Re: Notifications (Reported Post)
« on May 31st, 2013, 02:28 PM »
If it's sniffing, wouldn't that imply there should really be a hook for it?
Again, I think it'd be nice to see this in the core.
Again, I think it'd be nice to see this in the core.