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Off-topic / Re: Initial forecasts of Wedge installs/conversions
« on May 31st, 2013, 09:04 PM »
This is why I didn't want to give the details too much. -_-
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Off-topic / Re: Next System Visitation
« on May 31st, 2013, 08:48 PM »
There is very little similarity between XenForo and IPB in the scheme of things; most of the similarity is form following function and how most forums have much the same general idioms at work. Actually if you follow the story, XenForo does bear a similarity to what Kier admitted that he wanted vB 4 to be but that Internet Brands decided it wasn't going to happen.
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Off-topic / Re: Initial forecasts of Wedge installs/conversions
« on May 31st, 2013, 08:43 PM »
Yup, they have 45 million posts, 930k topics but only 97k members. Lots of very dedicated members.
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Plugins / [Plugin] Re: Notifications system (1.0)
« on May 31st, 2013, 08:42 PM »
I'd be interested to see it :)
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Plugins / [Plugin] Re: Notifications system (1.0)
« on May 31st, 2013, 08:38 PM »
Yeah, essentially. I just don't quite see how to get from what SMF has to something unified with your notifications system.
I actually don't use what SMF has, so it's hard for me to understand how to make it work, as it were.
I actually don't use what SMF has, so it's hard for me to understand how to make it work, as it were.
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Plugins / [Plugin] Re: Notifications system (1.0)
« on May 31st, 2013, 08:25 PM »
See, I'm looking at http://xenforo.com/community/threads/watching-a-forum.51048/ and thinking whether that's the sort of thing we need to be able to handle.
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Off-topic / Re: Initial forecasts of Wedge installs/conversions
« on May 31st, 2013, 08:14 PM »
It is not likely it would interest you.
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Features / Re: Permissions UI, latest experiment
« on May 31st, 2013, 05:45 PM »
Tell you one thing about the way IPB does its permissions - by separating permissions and groups the way it does, it reminds me of SimpleDesk and it sort of validates the concept of having roles vs groups.
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Off-topic / Re: Next System Visitation
« on May 31st, 2013, 05:33 PM »
Just a reminder: I added SMF 2.1 to the poll if you want to see what they've done with it without having to install it yourself.
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Off-topic / Re: Initial forecasts of Wedge installs/conversions
« on May 31st, 2013, 05:26 PM »
The trick is that you're not trying to diff 2.0 RC3 and WC-current then reapply that diff to 2.0.4, at least that's not how I did it. I did a diff from old version (raw) to new version (raw) and just applied *those* changes. After that it's just about doing things in the right order so as to not create downtime.
Though, frankly, a webmaster who values uptime over security is not someone I want to work for.
Though, frankly, a webmaster who values uptime over security is not someone I want to work for.
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Off-topic / Re: System Visitation: IPB 3.4.5
« on May 31st, 2013, 05:24 PM »
OK, so I activated my actual public licence again, not going to share where it is because it's not staying up for long but I wanted to show you two things that I didn't show you here.
Firstly, Visual Skin Editor. This allows you to customise the look of a skin - it's not the same as full control, and if you do want full control you have to 'convert it' into a full skin (which then disables the visual skin editor)
But damn is it sexy - you have a nice menu to play with and just get to play with the layout and live CSS changes. You can either pick from the menu or use the picker to select a given element on the page and it'll point you to the right part of it.
There's also the colorizer, which lets you select the underlying colours for the theme and it'll generate the appropriate style for those - out of the box it gives you 'base colour' (the bluish off-white), 'secondary colour' (black), 'tertiary colour' (purple), 'text colour' (blue) and it builds it from that.
To build colour variations for your site - just colour variations - is ridiculously easy. Even for newbie admins, they can create a colour scheme which suits them - even without touching code. It may not be as effective as allowing template edits and stuff but even so...
The other thing I mentioned is IP.Chat. Since I have a public licence, I can actually use IP.Chat. It has a variety of nice options controllable from the admin side - groups that can access it generally, groups that can access it in 'offline mode' (Maintenance), hours that it is enabled for/hours it is disabled for, groups that are moderators, groups that can do private chat, plus stuff like whether it should be a nice window, how many messages, how long to leave a user around before kicking them due to inactivity, rules and stuff like that. Again, thorough but nothing amazing.
Firstly, Visual Skin Editor. This allows you to customise the look of a skin - it's not the same as full control, and if you do want full control you have to 'convert it' into a full skin (which then disables the visual skin editor)
But damn is it sexy - you have a nice menu to play with and just get to play with the layout and live CSS changes. You can either pick from the menu or use the picker to select a given element on the page and it'll point you to the right part of it.
There's also the colorizer, which lets you select the underlying colours for the theme and it'll generate the appropriate style for those - out of the box it gives you 'base colour' (the bluish off-white), 'secondary colour' (black), 'tertiary colour' (purple), 'text colour' (blue) and it builds it from that.
To build colour variations for your site - just colour variations - is ridiculously easy. Even for newbie admins, they can create a colour scheme which suits them - even without touching code. It may not be as effective as allowing template edits and stuff but even so...
The other thing I mentioned is IP.Chat. Since I have a public licence, I can actually use IP.Chat. It has a variety of nice options controllable from the admin side - groups that can access it generally, groups that can access it in 'offline mode' (Maintenance), hours that it is enabled for/hours it is disabled for, groups that are moderators, groups that can do private chat, plus stuff like whether it should be a nice window, how many messages, how long to leave a user around before kicking them due to inactivity, rules and stuff like that. Again, thorough but nothing amazing.
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Off-topic / Re: Initial forecasts of Wedge installs/conversions
« on May 31st, 2013, 05:09 PM »i dont believe they have and i dont think at this point it is even possible due to the mods that are installed there... and the owner looking for even more for some reason.
But it's time consuming to manually do the diff on everything, that upgrade took me two days to do properly.
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Off-topic / Re: Initial forecasts of Wedge installs/conversions
« on May 31st, 2013, 05:04 PM »
I thought WC had actually upgraded to a current version these days? The other thing that should be noted is that any version below current has one or more known vulnerabilities.
Upgrading in Wedgeland is simpler because most stuff just doesn't pose the same problem, plugins don't get to modify files. So it's then only user specific changes, but that's ultimately their problem not ours.
Upgrading in Wedgeland is simpler because most stuff just doesn't pose the same problem, plugins don't get to modify files. So it's then only user specific changes, but that's ultimately their problem not ours.
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Off-topic / Re: System Visitation: IPB 3.4.5
« on May 31st, 2013, 04:57 PM »
I haven't studied the IPB community much.
But glancing through the support boards at random, you'll find that the developers chime in on things, that there is a very visible staff presence and it seems to be pretty professional at all times. It's not amazing or outstanding (you won't see any like the Kier/Mike/Brogan fanwanking[1] that happens on XF's community) but it is competent. It really seems at a glance to have the same atmosphere that the software does.
Interestingly you'll find that senior folks around IPS all seem to have the Zend Certified Engineer (be it PHP 5 or better 5.3) which is also a good sign for them, IMO. It's a sign that their people are willing to invest the time to actually get to know the language... while it's not a perfect system by any means, it is a sign that they're willing to make some effort.
As far as the plugin situation goes, they have the IPS Marketplace. Yes, some of it is free, but there seems to be a lot that aren't (and that's true for XF's plugin community too, btw).
As far as the Marketplace goes, they are a walled-garden affair such that if you want to be listed there you have to follow their rules, which amount to:
* hooks only
* basic documentation is required
* free/paid are both available, paid plugins offered through the Marketplace will be sold via IP.Nexus on their site, they take 10% + $0.50 in commission, no facility to have a listing that just links elsewhere
* authors must keep submissions up to date and provide a reasonable amount of support, if either are failing, IPS reserves the right to remove the listing
* plugins which call home are not forbidden but strongly discouraged and call-home MUST be declared
* payouts can be done once the balance is over $25, payments usually made on Fridays
* if you publish something, you are permitted to add related promotional notices but not excessively so, e.g. publishing a skin and a short notice about doing custom work
* IPS can remove a file for any reason at their discretion
* people who publish get access to a special board where staff and other contributors can discuss matters and also provides things like testing tools and some beta access
3PD is pretty strong there but as I said a lot of it is paid. Costs can soon mount up - IPB is licensed on a 6 monthly basis rather than yearly.
But glancing through the support boards at random, you'll find that the developers chime in on things, that there is a very visible staff presence and it seems to be pretty professional at all times. It's not amazing or outstanding (you won't see any like the Kier/Mike/Brogan fanwanking[1] that happens on XF's community) but it is competent. It really seems at a glance to have the same atmosphere that the software does.
Interestingly you'll find that senior folks around IPS all seem to have the Zend Certified Engineer (be it PHP 5 or better 5.3) which is also a good sign for them, IMO. It's a sign that their people are willing to invest the time to actually get to know the language... while it's not a perfect system by any means, it is a sign that they're willing to make some effort.
As far as the plugin situation goes, they have the IPS Marketplace. Yes, some of it is free, but there seems to be a lot that aren't (and that's true for XF's plugin community too, btw).
As far as the Marketplace goes, they are a walled-garden affair such that if you want to be listed there you have to follow their rules, which amount to:
* hooks only
* basic documentation is required
* free/paid are both available, paid plugins offered through the Marketplace will be sold via IP.Nexus on their site, they take 10% + $0.50 in commission, no facility to have a listing that just links elsewhere
* authors must keep submissions up to date and provide a reasonable amount of support, if either are failing, IPS reserves the right to remove the listing
* plugins which call home are not forbidden but strongly discouraged and call-home MUST be declared
* payouts can be done once the balance is over $25, payments usually made on Fridays
* if you publish something, you are permitted to add related promotional notices but not excessively so, e.g. publishing a skin and a short notice about doing custom work
* IPS can remove a file for any reason at their discretion
* people who publish get access to a special board where staff and other contributors can discuss matters and also provides things like testing tools and some beta access
3PD is pretty strong there but as I said a lot of it is paid. Costs can soon mount up - IPB is licensed on a 6 monthly basis rather than yearly.
| 1. | It goes beyond fanboyism, where those guys are considered half-way to deities. Don't get me wrong, they do an impressive job, something that Nao and I are able to sympathise with, but the community is a bit too fawning for my tastes. But Kier and Mike are a bit more friendly than I am, haha. |
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Off-topic / Re: Initial forecasts of Wedge installs/conversions
« on May 31st, 2013, 04:41 PM »
Oh no... it doesn't work like that. It really doesn't.
These people won't upgrade because they fervently believe they are *entitled* to support. I have had people tell me that I, as a mod author, should be *grateful* to them for using my mod. Yup. Not grateful to me for making it for them, but that I should be glad they chose to use it.
These people won't upgrade because they fervently believe they are *entitled* to support. I have had people tell me that I, as a mod author, should be *grateful* to them for using my mod. Yup. Not grateful to me for making it for them, but that I should be glad they chose to use it.