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Features / Re: Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 5th, 2012, 09:48 PM »
I would note that a couple of the settings were quietly modified in WAP2 mode, namely the settings for number of posts and topics to display. But that's not strictly theme behaviour as it has to be supported by code outside of the theme.
Re making it into columns, doing that does risk severely cluttering the screen up, especially as more than one item's label wraps as it is.
Re making it into columns, doing that does risk severely cluttering the screen up, especially as more than one item's label wraps as it is.
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Features / Re: Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 5th, 2012, 09:34 PM »
That's exactly it. SMF does it by having two screens for the separate items, and neither is what I would call intuitive.
The problem with three columns is simply how much space it takes up, you can't fit it as three columns as it stands, there's just not enough room.
Perhaps I'm doing this one wrong by trying to build it all into one page. (It would certainly explain my apathy towards this UI)
The problem with three columns is simply how much space it takes up, you can't fit it as three columns as it stands, there's just not enough room.
Perhaps I'm doing this one wrong by trying to build it all into one page. (It would certainly explain my apathy towards this UI)
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Features / Re: Poll mode
« on March 5th, 2012, 08:10 PM »
No, it isn't that hard, really. We convert the poll id to has_poll, a bool. This allows us to fix up all the edge cases like unread replies where the icon is used. Then in Display, we check for has_poll, query for poll details and push to $context. There is actually a mod for it that can be examined, if inspiration is needed.
I had sort of noticed, with my getting streaks of half a dozen commits. Don't worry about reviewing my stuff, I'm not doing that much in the way of "big stuff" so most of it is not only modestly sized, but modestly scaled, the admin panel stuff is mostly minor tweaks, no matter how big it sounds.
All I can say is that you shouldn't worry about loading yourself up too much, you've been very, very busy lately, and you deserve a break to recuperate.
All the "big stuff" that's really left for now is stuff I need to do, so kick back and I'll dig in.
I had sort of noticed, with my getting streaks of half a dozen commits. Don't worry about reviewing my stuff, I'm not doing that much in the way of "big stuff" so most of it is not only modestly sized, but modestly scaled, the admin panel stuff is mostly minor tweaks, no matter how big it sounds.
All I can say is that you shouldn't worry about loading yourself up too much, you've been very, very busy lately, and you deserve a break to recuperate.
All the "big stuff" that's really left for now is stuff I need to do, so kick back and I'll dig in.
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Features / Re: Poll mode
« on March 5th, 2012, 06:05 PM »
So I killed the old poll mode setting in r1436. What benefits does reorganising things for multiple polls give us?
4535
Features / Re: New revs
« on March 5th, 2012, 06:04 PM »
(13 files, 1KB)
Revision: 1436
Author: arantor
Date: 05 March 2012 17:04:04
Message:
! Remove unnecessary 'poll mode' setting. (All files)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Display.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageSettings.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/MessageIndex.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Post.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Post2.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Search2.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Unread.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/UnreadReplies.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/MessageIndex.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Help.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Help.french.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageSettings.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageSettings.french.php
Revision: 1436
Author: arantor
Date: 05 March 2012 17:04:04
Message:
! Remove unnecessary 'poll mode' setting. (All files)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Display.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageSettings.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/MessageIndex.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Post.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Post2.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Search2.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Unread.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/UnreadReplies.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/MessageIndex.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Help.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Help.french.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageSettings.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageSettings.french.php
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Features / Re: Some admin menu changes
« on March 5th, 2012, 05:56 PM »
Well, it'll come with a category and a board pre-defined, so you won't ever have to go through 'create your first' as it were... while I think wizards have a place, I don't want to throw them in everywhere (not just because of the non-trivial development time it would take)
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Features / Re: New revs
« on March 5th, 2012, 05:50 PM »
(15 modified, 11KB)
Revision: 1435
Author: arantor
Date: 05 March 2012 16:49:47
Message:
! Stripped some old legacy styling from the admin templates, from the old Core Features page. (admin.css, admin.rtl.css, index.ie6.css)
! Rejigged some of the profile/theme options to use the same $txt key as the setting they represent, no more of this $options['show_board_desc'] to $txt['board_desc_inline'] nonsense. (Settings.template.php, Profile.template.php, Profile language file)
! Made 'default forum language' searchable in the admin search. (ManageServer.php, Admin language file)
! Some of the preset defaults in the installer are actually incorrectly set up. (install.sql)
! Added part of the UI for editing member options without it being in the theme area, the UI does not yet save anything but I wanted to get what I had committed. The JS is rather rough, sorry. (Admin.php, ManageMemberOptions.php, admin.css, ManageMembers.template.php, Admin + ManageSettings language files)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Admin.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageMemberOptions.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageServer.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/ManageMembers.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/Profile.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/Settings.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Admin.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Admin.french.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageSettings.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Profile.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Profile.french.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/skins/admin.css
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/skins/admin.rtl.css
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/skins/index.ie6.css
Modified : /trunk/other/install.sql
Revision: 1435
Author: arantor
Date: 05 March 2012 16:49:47
Message:
! Stripped some old legacy styling from the admin templates, from the old Core Features page. (admin.css, admin.rtl.css, index.ie6.css)
! Rejigged some of the profile/theme options to use the same $txt key as the setting they represent, no more of this $options['show_board_desc'] to $txt['board_desc_inline'] nonsense. (Settings.template.php, Profile.template.php, Profile language file)
! Made 'default forum language' searchable in the admin search. (ManageServer.php, Admin language file)
! Some of the preset defaults in the installer are actually incorrectly set up. (install.sql)
! Added part of the UI for editing member options without it being in the theme area, the UI does not yet save anything but I wanted to get what I had committed. The JS is rather rough, sorry. (Admin.php, ManageMemberOptions.php, admin.css, ManageMembers.template.php, Admin + ManageSettings language files)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Admin.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageMemberOptions.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageServer.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/ManageMembers.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/Profile.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/Settings.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Admin.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Admin.french.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageSettings.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Profile.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Profile.french.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/skins/admin.css
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/skins/admin.rtl.css
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/skins/index.ie6.css
Modified : /trunk/other/install.sql
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Features / Re: Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 5th, 2012, 05:19 PM »never understood why do different setting for visitors and for users?
Also, consider something like notifications, you might want to turn them on for all new members but not affect anyone who's already changed it. (Or vice versa, turn them off for everyone except people who chose to have them on)
Well there's a reason for it; mobile themes.
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Features / Re: Poll mode
« on March 5th, 2012, 04:25 PM »
I'm not clear why you'd want multiple polls per topic, either directly or one per post (which allows multiple per topic), what use would it have?
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Features / Re: Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 5th, 2012, 03:51 PM »
At least mine's all in one page as opposed to two and a half pages in SMF, and I think I can argue mine's easier to follow than SMF's "change settings for existing members" page... seriously, who thought the whole "Don't change..." / "Change" (and enable this handy textbox) was a *good* idea?
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Features / Re: Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 5th, 2012, 03:17 PM »Not sure why any of these would need to be theme specific either, I think members would expect it to function the same in all themes, at least I would.
I'd be happy with some select-boxes but that may just look cluttery. As long as it works I doubt many will care if it's exciting or not.
Not sure if the UI grabs me but not sure what to change...
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Features / Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 5th, 2012, 02:46 PM »
For a while we've talked about the illogical nature of the theme settings that are really member preferences and how they are theme specific.[1]
A while ago I brought a new area into the admin panel, called Member Options. It held some of the generic options for members, custom profile fields and signatures, and now I've tried to put the preferences configuration there, in hopefully a less brain-dead fashion.
Except I'm not sure I like the UI very much and I'm not sure how best to fix that.
The 'Change' button is hidden by default, visible when you mouse over the relevant area (like the thoughts button does) and when you select it, it goes from the 'default value: blah' into two dropdowns, one to select what happens with guests/new members, and one for existing members. As you can see this isn't finished yet. (I made one visible to show you what it would look like)
The thing is, while I think it's about the only sane way to complete this UI, I don't like it. It's boring, bland, unimaginative and I just don't like it but I can't figure out how to improve it without making it less usable. (Though I'm debating pulling out the magical hide factor and just having the modify buttons there the whole time, it'll be more obvious what to do then at least)
Thoughts?
A while ago I brought a new area into the admin panel, called Member Options. It held some of the generic options for members, custom profile fields and signatures, and now I've tried to put the preferences configuration there, in hopefully a less brain-dead fashion.
Except I'm not sure I like the UI very much and I'm not sure how best to fix that.
The 'Change' button is hidden by default, visible when you mouse over the relevant area (like the thoughts button does) and when you select it, it goes from the 'default value: blah' into two dropdowns, one to select what happens with guests/new members, and one for existing members. As you can see this isn't finished yet. (I made one visible to show you what it would look like)
The thing is, while I think it's about the only sane way to complete this UI, I don't like it. It's boring, bland, unimaginative and I just don't like it but I can't figure out how to improve it without making it less usable. (Though I'm debating pulling out the magical hide factor and just having the modify buttons there the whole time, it'll be more obvious what to do then at least)
Thoughts?
| 1. | Actually, the code does indicate some of them should update only the default theme (i.e. regardless of what theme you're actually configuring) but I'm not entirely sure it works properly. Even if it does, it's highly illogical. |
4543
Off-topic / Interesting reading
« on March 5th, 2012, 11:27 AM »
This guy has a lot to say about security, http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/
The most interesting one from my point of view so far has been this PDF: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/stupid.pdf
What's more interesting is that there's very little there to surprise me, but it's confirmed a lot of what I've long suspected or known about user behaviour, and how broken the digital world really is.
And if you want a lesson in how to make a point thoroughly, http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/unsolvable.pdf is it. To wit: adding cryptography does not implicitly/inherently make something more secure. I love the way he makes that point.
And I LOVE how he explains why DRM is broken (unsolvable.pdf). I'm so glad that it isn't just me that bangs that drum because it bloody feels like it a lot.
There's many more articles on security there, some ranging from the more abstract like the ones I've linked, to rather more technical ones about cryptography and flaws in algorithms, which is interesting reading in itself if you're curious about that kind of thing.
The most interesting one from my point of view so far has been this PDF: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/stupid.pdf
What's more interesting is that there's very little there to surprise me, but it's confirmed a lot of what I've long suspected or known about user behaviour, and how broken the digital world really is.
And if you want a lesson in how to make a point thoroughly, http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/unsolvable.pdf is it. To wit: adding cryptography does not implicitly/inherently make something more secure. I love the way he makes that point.
And I LOVE how he explains why DRM is broken (unsolvable.pdf). I'm so glad that it isn't just me that bangs that drum because it bloody feels like it a lot.
There's many more articles on security there, some ranging from the more abstract like the ones I've linked, to rather more technical ones about cryptography and flaws in algorithms, which is interesting reading in itself if you're curious about that kind of thing.
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Features / Re: New revs
« on March 5th, 2012, 10:12 AM »
(1 modified, 1KB)
Revision: 1433
Author: arantor
Date: 05 March 2012 09:11:39
Message:
! If an admin setting indicates a help text itself, make sure we pick that up (usually if it has a different key in $helptxt to its setting name in $txt) (Admin.php)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Admin.php
Revision: 1433
Author: arantor
Date: 05 March 2012 09:11:39
Message:
! If an admin setting indicates a help text itself, make sure we pick that up (usually if it has a different key in $helptxt to its setting name in $txt) (Admin.php)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Admin.php
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Features / Re: New revs
« on March 5th, 2012, 10:02 AM »
(1 modified, 1 added, 2KB)
Revision: 1432
Author: arantor
Date: 05 March 2012 09:02:12
Message:
+ Icon for warnings area. (warning.png, Admin.php)
! Fix to old search setting, exclude type=warning from admin panel searches, and change the strip-description from matching div/span with smalltext to the current dfn, so if an entry has dfn text it isn't part of the search results as part of the link. (Admin.php)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Admin.php
Added : /trunk/Themes/default/images/admin/warning.png
Revision: 1432
Author: arantor
Date: 05 March 2012 09:02:12
Message:
+ Icon for warnings area. (warning.png, Admin.php)
! Fix to old search setting, exclude type=warning from admin panel searches, and change the strip-description from matching div/span with smalltext to the current dfn, so if an entry has dfn text it isn't part of the search results as part of the link. (Admin.php)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Admin.php
Added : /trunk/Themes/default/images/admin/warning.png