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Features / Re: Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 7th, 2012, 01:37 PM »
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I'm just being overly technical
If you want to get technical, what we're really arguing about is the semantics of show vs don't show vs hide for our context. Hide equates to don't show for the context in question, but it isn't the same thing.

If you're hiding something, you're taking effort to actively conceal it from display. As opposed to don't show which is a passive act; it is not taking the active act of display.

For the vast bulk of those items, the correct semantic meaning isn't to use the word 'hide', because with the exception of ignored users posts, you're simply not doing the work when you're 'not showing' these things, as opposed to working to conceal them.

So getting overly technical, we should definitely reword them to not only be more obvious to the user but also to actually describe the action being taken under the hood, i.e. taking effort to actually show these things.
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Now, saying that and then actually going through all of the options to determine where double-neagtives exist are two different things (mostly due to the sheer volume of options and screens and what not).
That's the beauty of something like this, it doesn't have to be a one-hit process, it can be gradually applied.
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Features / Re: Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 7th, 2012, 01:20 PM »
Ah, but having the ? doesn't change the fact that the answer to the question is the opposite of what the terms usually mean.

Show = do something = positive assertion
Hide = don't do something = negative assertion

Having a positive assertion be a yes/no makes sense, having a negative assertion be yes/no is far more complicated for us to process.
4503
Features / Re: New revs
« on March 7th, 2012, 12:14 PM »
(3 modified, 1KB)

Revision: 1444
Author: arantor
Date: 07 March 2012 11:13:47
Message:
! One of the smileys shown to users in the editor was using the wrong code. Harmonised that to use the correct code. (Subs-BBC.php)

! Password too short message wasn't appropriately loaded so not only would the sprintf fail, it would also drop an error. (Reminder.php, Subs-Members.php)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Reminder.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Subs-BBC.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Subs-Members.php
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Features / Re: Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 7th, 2012, 11:49 AM »
Yup. Don't show = hide, either way, it's getting a 'yes' to mean 'not to do something'. Would be far more logical to have it be 'Show' where yes means to do so.
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Features / Re: New revs
« on March 7th, 2012, 11:35 AM »
(3 files, 1KB)

Revision: 1443
Author: arantor
Date: 07 March 2012 10:34:39
Message:
! No point showing the quick moderation bar in search results if there's no results to apply them to. (Search.template.php)

! Legacy code from profile changes. (Profile-Modify.php)

! Force the admin area not to offer the sidebar menu, it's either the nice icons or the dropdowns, there's no need for anything else. (Admin.php)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Admin.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Profile-Modify.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/Search.template.php
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Features / Re: Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 7th, 2012, 10:49 AM »
If you reword it to 'Hide avatars', it's still a double negative!
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Off-topic / Re: How ported from SMF+Aeva+TP?
« on March 7th, 2012, 03:26 AM »
Yeah, I get that the content would be important to keep, I just gotta figure out a good way of doing it cleanly so that you can import content like that seamlessly from SMF into Wedge.

There is an import tool already but it's primarily geared for importing other forums into Wedge. I wonder how easy it will be to reuse that.
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Off-topic / Re: How ported from SMF+Aeva+TP?
« on March 7th, 2012, 03:13 AM »
TP is also very large and quite slow, so blocks might be wonderful but there's quite a price to pay for it.

The file archive could probably be imported into Aeva (which is inbuilt into Wedge), the comments... comments to what?

As for articles, there isn't any facility directly in Wedge for it but it could be done with a plugin of some kind (that can do importing)
4509
Off-topic / Re: How ported from SMF+Aeva+TP?
« on March 7th, 2012, 03:07 AM »
What information were you hoping to get from TP, out of interest?
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Off-topic / Re: How ported from SMF+Aeva+TP?
« on March 7th, 2012, 02:32 AM »
I was quite careful in my wording. I honestly do not care whether any of the established SMF portal mods decide to port over here or not, because it isn't my problem. They either will or they won't.

On the presumption that they don't (because it would require tearing each of them apart from scratch to work over here), I'd rather see a fresh portal emerge designed for Wedge in the first place rather than inheriting old mentality.
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Features / Re: New revs
« on March 7th, 2012, 01:09 AM »
(8 files, 1KB - probably because it's not lots of changed lines, but decently sized chunks of just removed lines)

Revision: 1442
Author: arantor
Date: 07 March 2012 00:08:10
Message:
! Remove the old reset-options area from admin, now that it's just not needed. Surprising amount of code saved actually. (All files)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Admin.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageMemberOptions.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Themes.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/Themes.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Admin.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Admin.french.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Themes.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Themes.french.php
4512
Archived fixes / SMF bug: setting quick reply to on for new users will not work properly
« on March 7th, 2012, 12:48 AM »
Simple as that. It checks for the presence of specific theme variables to be set during registration (which cannot happen during normal registration, just through external registration and even then, with a bit of imagination), and if not found, it just sets to 'show, off by default', which sort of makes a mockery of the admin's settings, really.
Posted: March 7th, 2012, 12:30 AM

Fixed in r1441.
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Features / Re: New revs
« on March 7th, 2012, 12:47 AM »
(8 files, 17KB)

Revision: 1441
Author: arantor
Date: 06 March 2012 23:47:23
Message:
! Rework the admin search slightly so instead of recognising two areas (sections and settings), it recognises three (sections, settings and preferences), and also makes the preferences searchable, at least the admin side. (Admin.php, Admin language file)

! SMF bug: when registering a user, don't just almost-always set their quick reply to 'show but off by default', actually don't set it at all, so that the admin's choice will be honoured. (Register.php)

! Update the hooks actually in play now. (ManagePlugins.php)

! Preferences now indicate where they expect to be shown, for use elsewhere. Maybe this might be used in the main UI itself, don't know yet. (ManageMemberOptions.php)

! The profile / look and layout area now uses the settings indicated by the master settings from the admin area. (Profile-Modify.php, Profile.template.php, Settings.template.php)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Admin.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageMemberOptions.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManagePlugins.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Profile-Modify.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Register.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/Profile.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/Settings.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Admin.english.php
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Features / Re: Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 6th, 2012, 11:03 PM »
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No offence but it seems like a lot of talk for just a detail.
Ah, but the detail's important. Maybe for an individual menu item it isn't, but for a general sense of style, it becomes more important. How many such UI items are there that don't quite make proper sense because of stuff like that?
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Features / Re: Unfinished, quite raw, would like some feedback
« on March 6th, 2012, 10:54 PM »
I was strongly contemplating actually rewording all the relevant options, because I'd rather have a saner UI that's 'correct' and have the code support that, rather than fudge it.

While 'Hide' is better than 'Don't show', it's still a sort of negative action - yes, in that context means to not do something. I'd much rather have 'yes' mean 'do that'.