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Features / Re: New revs
« on June 5th, 2013, 06:08 AM »
4 files, 21KB
Revision: 2152
Author: arantor
Date: 05 June 2013 05:07:36
Message:
! Whoops, forgot some clean-up. (MoveTopic.php)
! Ability to search the language files in the language editor. Doesn't do other themes yet. Might need some polish. But it seems to work. (ManageLanguages.php, ManageLanguages.template.php, ManageSettings language file)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageLanguages.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/MoveTopic.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/ManageLanguages.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageSettings.english.php
(Btw, did I mention I only started this tonight?)
Revision: 2152
Author: arantor
Date: 05 June 2013 05:07:36
Message:
! Whoops, forgot some clean-up. (MoveTopic.php)
! Ability to search the language files in the language editor. Doesn't do other themes yet. Might need some polish. But it seems to work. (ManageLanguages.php, ManageLanguages.template.php, ManageSettings language file)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/ManageLanguages.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/MoveTopic.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/ManageLanguages.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageSettings.english.php
(Btw, did I mention I only started this tonight?)
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Features / Re: Miscellaneous/WIP screenshots
« on June 5th, 2013, 05:25 AM »
So yet another feature: the ability to search the language codex currently in the system. (No, that SkinSelector - SkinSelector is not a bug. It's the SkinSelector plugin, showing the SkinSelector language file.)
I'm not entirely happy with the layout but that's pure aesthetics, the actual guts works ;)
Posted: June 5th, 2013, 05:24 AM
I'm not entirely happy with the layout but that's pure aesthetics, the actual guts works ;)
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Off-topic / Re: Welcome to prehistoric times.
« on June 5th, 2013, 03:16 AM »
I've actually fixed the notifications bug, the fix is in SVN and hopefully can be uploaded here tomorrow.
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Off-topic / Re: In Addition to Post Count - Power Ranking?
« on June 5th, 2013, 03:08 AM »
:whip: ?
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Off-topic / Re: In Addition to Post Count - Power Ranking?
« on June 5th, 2013, 03:03 AM »
We try :)
I'm of the view that a lot of the things that are being added or have been added have rough edges that we can't see yet, e.g. the admin panel and some of the admin controls. And there's plenty of things I want to do, it's just a matter of writing them, since in most cases it's not really a code problem or design problem but a motivation problem.
I'm of the view that a lot of the things that are being added or have been added have rough edges that we can't see yet, e.g. the admin panel and some of the admin controls. And there's plenty of things I want to do, it's just a matter of writing them, since in most cases it's not really a code problem or design problem but a motivation problem.
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Off-topic / Re: In Addition to Post Count - Power Ranking?
« on June 5th, 2013, 02:56 AM »Oh boy - that's got to be kindof entertaining to visit.
And then there's karma, which I hate. There, you get into karma wars and it turns into a pile of muck - with little meaning. That's why, because my members want it, I refused to allow it unless they fessed up to the karma action, so I use the karma log mod. At least I can see who's making B.S. karma and if the reason isn't to my satisfaction it will be removed.
But - I do know the post count can be hidden. Perhaps if we all had it to do over again, if forums were just being invented, we'd keep post count away from prying eyes like PMs. People would be judged as they are, day by day, by the quality of their contributions.
I know, I'm a hopeless dreamer. :-/
It's the middle ground, the 0-5k post ground to watch out for, by the time they're past that, they're almost certainly in it for the long haul.
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Off-topic / Re: In Addition to Post Count - Power Ranking?
« on June 5th, 2013, 02:38 AM »
Oh, I know where you're going and it's fundamentally a good place. Unfortunately until a machine can objectively rank something in terms of quality[1] it's just not going to fly.
There is a certain forum I can think of where pretty much everyone doesn't really know the subject in question. Imagine that: a forum for beginners... by beginners. It doesn't work well.
Post count is a crappy metric. Topic count is a similarly crappy metric. Likes is better, so is reputation but both will to a point scale with post count - the more posts one makes, the greater likelihood someone will like them or upvote them or whatever.
There is a certain forum I can think of where pretty much everyone doesn't really know the subject in question. Imagine that: a forum for beginners... by beginners. It doesn't work well.
Post count is a crappy metric. Topic count is a similarly crappy metric. Likes is better, so is reputation but both will to a point scale with post count - the more posts one makes, the greater likelihood someone will like them or upvote them or whatever.
| 1. | IBM Watson is getting there... it managed to algorithmically judge an analyst's report as 'bullshit' because someone thought it would be great to feed the Urban Dictionary into the finest AI we've ever built |
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Off-topic / Re: In Addition to Post Count - Power Ranking?
« on June 5th, 2013, 02:26 AM »
That's the point, though, you're assigning a metric that doesn't necessarily hold up either.
Let's take something akin to a real world example: sm.org. Nao started the Aeva thread, it has something like 6000 replies to it which if I remember rightly is actually more than his entire post count there.
Then you have me, I didn't make that many threads (and it's screwed up because some of them aren't properly attributed to me, and I won't even get into the debacle of mod threads that are no longer attributed to me)... but I have 9x the post count, and of the topics I made, I suspect I probably merited a similar amount of replies *in total* to them. Hard to say but let's take it as a reasonable hypothesis. I don't know how many topics I started but including the private ones in the mod reviews board, let's say 100 threads in total. Vs the... 10? threads Nao made.
By that reckoning, my contributions to sm.org are 51k * 6k * 100 vs Nao's 6k * 6k * 10 = 30.6bn vs 360m - several orders of magnitude even with a linear scaling factor - and that's without distorting it based on size (since I wrote some pretty large posts too)
And that's being conservative in some areas. I like the idea in principle but the practice just doesn't quite work out. There are just too many variables to bring into a common field of statistical reference and too many ways to screw up such an algorithm.
Let's take something akin to a real world example: sm.org. Nao started the Aeva thread, it has something like 6000 replies to it which if I remember rightly is actually more than his entire post count there.
Then you have me, I didn't make that many threads (and it's screwed up because some of them aren't properly attributed to me, and I won't even get into the debacle of mod threads that are no longer attributed to me)... but I have 9x the post count, and of the topics I made, I suspect I probably merited a similar amount of replies *in total* to them. Hard to say but let's take it as a reasonable hypothesis. I don't know how many topics I started but including the private ones in the mod reviews board, let's say 100 threads in total. Vs the... 10? threads Nao made.
By that reckoning, my contributions to sm.org are 51k * 6k * 100 vs Nao's 6k * 6k * 10 = 30.6bn vs 360m - several orders of magnitude even with a linear scaling factor - and that's without distorting it based on size (since I wrote some pretty large posts too)
And that's being conservative in some areas. I like the idea in principle but the practice just doesn't quite work out. There are just too many variables to bring into a common field of statistical reference and too many ways to screw up such an algorithm.
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Off-topic / Re: In Addition to Post Count - Power Ranking?
« on June 5th, 2013, 02:16 AM »
It's an interesting idea but you'd need to tune it on a per site basis IMO
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Off-topic / Re: In Addition to Post Count - Power Ranking?
« on June 5th, 2013, 02:11 AM »
It's essentially generating an assumed reputation out of computable metrics - and slightly naive ones.
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Off-topic / Re: In Addition to Post Count - Power Ranking?
« on June 5th, 2013, 02:03 AM »
While Hermeticism is cool and all, the average community wouldn't really function best out of it.
Even the most well intentioned reputation mechanic gets abused by egomaniacs. For anyone who thinks I have an ego problem, hang around StackOverflow for a while and look at the attitude of the highest-reputation people.
Even the most well intentioned reputation mechanic gets abused by egomaniacs. For anyone who thinks I have an ego problem, hang around StackOverflow for a while and look at the attitude of the highest-reputation people.
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Features / Re: New revs
« on June 5th, 2013, 02:02 AM »
2 added, 2KB
Revision: 2151
Author: arantor
Date: 05 June 2013 01:01:05
Message:
! The notifier file I forgot to commit just now. (Move.php)
! The current contributors list. It's not 100% accurate at this point in time since we haven't updated getID3 to the MPL licenced version yet but we will be doing so shortly.
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Added : /trunk/Sources/notifiers/Move.php
Added : /trunk/root/contributors.txt[1]
Revision: 2151
Author: arantor
Date: 05 June 2013 01:01:05
Message:
! The notifier file I forgot to commit just now. (Move.php)
! The current contributors list. It's not 100% accurate at this point in time since we haven't updated getID3 to the MPL licenced version yet but we will be doing so shortly.
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Added : /trunk/Sources/notifiers/Move.php
Added : /trunk/root/contributors.txt[1]
| 1. | Even the ASCII art in this file has attribution. Credit where credit is due. |
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Features / Re: New revs
« on June 5th, 2013, 01:59 AM »
8 modified, 1 file forgotten in the commit, 3KB
Revision: 2150
Author: arantor
Date: 05 June 2013 00:58:23
Message:
! Wrong variable was used, causing spurious errors. (Class-Notification.php)
! Move topics now generates notifications, thanks live627 for your contribution! NB: I haven't set it up for bulk maintenance. Interestingly enough, move topics does the old notifications system (sendNotifications call), but it isn't done in mass maintenance, and for now I'm not doing our notifications there either. (MoveTopic.php, Notifications.php, QuickMod.php, Notifications.english.php)
! Since we're now doing it through notifications, bye bye sending a PM. (MoveTopic.php, MoveTopic.template.php, ManageTopics language file)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Class-Notification.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/MoveTopic.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Notifications.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/QuickMod.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/MoveTopic.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageTopics.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageTopics.french.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Notifications.english.php
Revision: 2150
Author: arantor
Date: 05 June 2013 00:58:23
Message:
! Wrong variable was used, causing spurious errors. (Class-Notification.php)
! Move topics now generates notifications, thanks live627 for your contribution! NB: I haven't set it up for bulk maintenance. Interestingly enough, move topics does the old notifications system (sendNotifications call), but it isn't done in mass maintenance, and for now I'm not doing our notifications there either. (MoveTopic.php, Notifications.php, QuickMod.php, Notifications.english.php)
! Since we're now doing it through notifications, bye bye sending a PM. (MoveTopic.php, MoveTopic.template.php, ManageTopics language file)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Class-Notification.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/MoveTopic.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/Notifications.php
Modified : /trunk/Sources/QuickMod.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/MoveTopic.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageTopics.english.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/ManageTopics.french.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Notifications.english.php
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Off-topic / Re: In Addition to Post Count - Power Ranking?
« on June 5th, 2013, 01:38 AM »
It's basically called reputation for which mods already exist in SMF to do pretty much all this.
I'm reluctant to put them in the core however because it's a fairly niche thing and prone to abuse.
I'm reluctant to put them in the core however because it's a fairly niche thing and prone to abuse.
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Archived fixes / Re: Updated CSS code is buggy
« on June 4th, 2013, 06:48 PM »
How did they manage to get PHP 5.2.4 without updating PCRE?