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Archived fixes / Re: Moved to a board I cannot access?
« on June 13th, 2013, 12:11 AM »
Fixed locally. Stupid typo.
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Archived fixes / Re: Language cache doesn't turn off
« on June 12th, 2013, 09:10 PM »
You don't use the button I specifically added for you? :sob:
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Features / Re: New revs - Public comments
« on June 12th, 2013, 05:02 PM »
* Arantor is still s bit spaced out, will review in a bit
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Features / Re: Miscellaneous/WIP screenshots
« on June 12th, 2013, 11:20 AM »
XenForo does it too... but I'm not entirely sure *why*.
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Archived fixes / Re: Moved to a board I cannot access?
« on June 12th, 2013, 05:59 AM »
Yeah, but I'm having "conscious sedation" to have some teeth (including a wisdom tooth) out.
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Archived fixes / Re: Moved to a board I cannot access?
« on June 12th, 2013, 05:55 AM »
Huh. That's... odd.

I will try and look into it tomorrow but I wouldn't bank on it (tomorrow = hospital visit for dental work)
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Archived fixes / Re: Language cache doesn't turn off
« on June 12th, 2013, 05:52 AM »
That's completely intentional. The language cache is separate to the regular backend. Only the regular backend is touched by that setting.

It's done that way because otherwise you'd have quite a few queries per page. The language cache is designed to be long term and changes should be done via the admin panel.
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Features / Re: Miscellaneous/WIP screenshots
« on June 12th, 2013, 03:51 AM »
This would all be so much easier if categories were really boards with a different presentation... #justsayin
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But, I had one moderator at another forum that said (paraphrasing) that he would never resort to using smileys. He claimed that, if you were intelligent enough, you wouldn't have to resort to using them. If you were intelligent enough, you could explain yourself without using a smiley.
I can see the logic of that statement, but your moderator is wrong. Go ask any counsellor, psychologist or similar communications specialist how much communication is conducted with the spoken word. The estimate will vary from teaching to teaching but the highest I've *ever* heard it quoted in 25%...  and I've heard it quoted down to 7%. In other words, 75% or more of communication is not what you're saying or even really how you're saying it. It's all the non-verbal stuff too.

But of course we don't have that additional context in a forum that is primarily textual. You're cutting off that 75%+ of context. It's even less context that you get in a phone call when you at least have tone of voice to guide you in terms of stress on the part of the speaker. All you ultimately take away is what I write.

Now, I would argue that I am a reasonably strong communicator; I have sufficient command of English - generally[1] - to be able to make my point and cover discussion in depth (when I choose to), and I tend to choose my wording fairly carefully to convey the meaning I intended, however most of that is a subtlety often lost in this medium. Sarcasm in particular doesn't tend to translate too well.[2]

Ultimately, to me, it's not cheating, it's a way to express a hint of the missing context that goes with non-verbal communication. The tone of voice, the expression on the face... with a suitably well defined smiley set, a surprising amount of additional context can be easily communicated.
 1. On a similar line of thought, I have heard it said that you shouldn't need to resort to swearing if you have a sufficient command of language. I find I resort to swearing when more erudite communication would be wasted or simply that I cannot find the words to express my frustration. There is something very earthy and primal about profanity to express level of frustration.
 2. But you will notice that I choose not to act like a grammar pedant or express pedantry over punctuation. But I see a lot of dumbness, like the guy who complained that the Cmdr Hadfield singing Space Oddity while on the ISS must be fake because sound doesn't travel through a vacuum. Or the folks who say that the Sun isn't a star, it's a Sun.
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Oh, I saw exactly where you were going with this. *cracks knuckles*
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What I was going for as I said was each video is analogous to a thread
No, it isn't. The nature of the medium inherently precludes it being the case.

You don't have films made frame by frame by (mostly) different people frame to frame. Each frame directly follows on from the previous one in the *vast* majority of cases, and where it does not (i.e. with a jump cut or similar style of cutaway), that could reasonably be concluded to be the end of a scene. Which is the correct analogue for a post, really.

OK, let's get complicated :niark:

What is the smallest unit within the frame of reference? Within a video, you have chapters (in most longer works, e.g. DVD movies), which comprise of scenes, which compose of frames. A frame is the smallest unit to which you can meaningfully refer.

What of threads? Well, you have a topic for collecting posts, you have pages of posts, which compose of sentences. A sentence, then, is the smallest unit to which you can meaningfully refer.

You can base an entire new reply off a single sentence or even one word in that sentence. You can base an entire new scene off one frame or even one element in that frame.

A frame, at best, compares to a paragraph or a sentence. Given that point of reference, the concept of pages of posts is no more radical than chapters on a DVD menu; a way of collating a group of posts together in a unit that is not overly large and complex to process.

Put it this way, you might pause through each frame to study it and gain context and meta information from it but it won't tell you anything about the whole, just as you can step through each sentence to do the same with the same caveats.

The only difference is that the DVD menu author doesn't have an automatic splitting point for it, they must manually do it themselves when authoring the menu. Maybe there's an argument there for having an ability to semantically group posts together in accordance with some criteria that isn't a mostly-arbitrary number. Perhaps the angle to consider is somehow dividing a topic into pages, where each page is a variable length exploring one aspect of the thread as a whole.

There are practical implications for so doing; the main one being that it is inherent resistance to discussion that most people won't want. People are not particularly good at categorisation especially when it is not for their own inherent benefit; cf. why most forums with tagging systems seldom make good use of them. Moderators might if they're enthusiastic enough at it but most topic starters just won't bother unless it gives them some benefit; for example on Stack Overflow, when asking a question, appropriate tags can be set. This is directly useful to the immediate author as well as those who would come after, for the simple reason that people actively follow certain tags and if a given question has a given tag, it increases the likelihood that someone knowledgeable will see it. (= topic starter has an explicit benefit to themselves as well as an implicit benefit to everyone else)
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You could but it would be flawed.

In the case of a YouTube video, very often an individual frame may not have much substance in itself and it may not work out of context on its own. So too with posts of a thread, they may have little substance, or they may have everything... and out of context they may not work well.

The difference is, though, generally a video is expected to be considered in entirety, while a thread not so much. For long threads, commenting upon them is fine in reference to the last few posts/last page or two is expected, rather than reading the entire thread. Contextually we're talking about a jump-cut to another scene or location under some circumstances. It still relates to the whole but it might have a twist to it that requires new context.
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Archived fixes / Re: Menu is cut off below the footer
« on June 12th, 2013, 12:04 AM »
Yeah, it's a long menu on an unusually short page, hardly surprising it's cut off.
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Features / Re: Wedge Link Structure
« on June 11th, 2013, 07:33 PM »
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I am suggesting possibility of removing boardname in the topic link
Isn't going to happen. There is value to having it the way it is. Both semantically and technically, in fact.
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Meanwhile, I don't know the board link can be configured in the admin panel ( as you showed in the screenshot), a big PLUs!
Which is why I deliberately made a screenshot in my first reply. The fact I have to repeat myself is disheartening.
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Never said it should be like wordpress, just giving example.
Except that by pointing it out, and then reiterating your point, you actually are asking for it to be like that.
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Never said you talk about bookmarks, you may say members have to bookmark the favorite link in this forum...
So, you bring up a point then tell me that I *may* mention it (even though I didn't, and have no real reason to do so)? Nice to know what I'm entitled to talk about.

So let's nail this once and for all. Bookmarks are unchanged, if a user wants to bookmark a thread, they really don't care what URL it is provided the bookmark takes them to roughly the right place (cf infinite scroll and the like). In this scenario SEO URLs are irrelevant. Why you brought bookmarks up, I have no idea.

SEO URLs are relevant when people are sharing a link to your forum on other sites, especially on the likes of Facebook, Twitter, etc because it is there where the SEO benefit will be realised, as marginal as it is. And it is there where the URL becomes important to have keywords and be nicer looking - because that's where people are going to see it.
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Some members are influential in the community that others will always like to visit their profiles,checkout their latest posts etc, they will be happy if they can simply type their links direct in browser
Oh, you really don't understand SEO or actual usability, do you?

That just isn't how the majority of users actually do this. I don't type in URLs to posts. I don't even type in URLs to peoples' profiles (except locally in testing)... I click on their name by their post. If they're influential, they'll have a meaningful name to click on.

And before you start down the argument of this, note Facebook. Study it carefully. People on Facebook who care about their vanity name (for that's what they call it), i.e. facebook.com/arantor or similar are usually doing it to assert their identity and/or branding. Most people just don't type it in, though, they find it, or click on a link to it. They don't type it in. Even if they know it, they still probably won't type it in. Copy/paste is so much quicker. Or, from a usability standpoint, browse then search. Browser searching is also so much more efficient than it used to be, too.
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This will also improve usability.
Except that it doesn't.
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????
Yes, I'm going on holiday for two months whereupon I will have little time to visit or work on Wedge, and I won't have to talk to people who clearly don't understand the points they're actually trying to argue (not suggest), because how they do it is different to how 99.8% of the rest of the internet population does it.

There was NOTHING in this thread that was a suggestion. It was all 'this is how you should do it and here's why I think you should do it even though I don't want to listen to any opinions from anyone but myself'. At least, that's how I saw it. I realise English isn't your first language, and that what seems to be a suggestion comes across differently but that's why I gave it the benefit of the doubt the first couple of posts - by the last post or so, it was clear to me that you weren't interested in what we have to offer unless it suited what you want to see.

Give me a REASON why these things are so, one that actually fits with the evidence and I'll take you seriously. People don't type in topic URLs, doubly so with the topic id in it for the obvious reason that they're not memorable (which is the principle criteria for typing a URL in rather than discovery/copy-paste/search). Names are also tricky for several reasons as recently discussed about when users change their name[1]. Why is 'not having the board in the URL' better usability?
 1. Something Facebook and Twitter don't like you doing...
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Archived fixes / Re: Menu is cut off below the footer
« on June 11th, 2013, 06:36 PM »
How short is that page you have there? It just seems like it's almost infeasibly short... :/
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Archived fixes / Re: Profile controllers cannot be classes
« on June 11th, 2013, 06:23 PM »
So, admin menu, moderate menu, what else?