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Off-topic / Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« on September 12th, 2012, 03:55 PM »
* Arantor calls strawman.

Anyway. Look at the URLs, they don't look like the official URL. The only URLs that actually mimic the main URL as opposed to using a deliberately different domain are the ones that historically cause the most fuck-ups: Korean, Polish, Russian.

You may think you're being wonderful and doing this for us, and had you actually asked first there's a chance it would have been better received, but doing it without our permission is only going to piss us off, especially since I know, as I said, how much crap was caused by this behaviour in the past.

The bottom line: it looks like it's an official site, and it isn't. We do not want to be associated with that, because any crap that happens over there spills over here too. I've seen it before, more than once.

I have no objection to a fan site, in whatever language you want but I do NOT want it with the main Wedge name. wedgefans.ru would be fine, as would wedgeunofficial or whatever. But using the wedge name on its own gives it an air of officialdom that is simply wrong.
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Off-topic / Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« on September 12th, 2012, 03:42 PM »
Are they official sites or fan sites?

It's very misleading because it implies that it is official when it isn't. I'm aware of the number of problems caused in the past by the Russian equivalent of SMF's site, too.
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Off-topic / Re: symfony vs zend framework
« on September 11th, 2012, 07:53 PM »
Exactly. It's very lightweight and exists primarily to be an anti-injection layer, though in $smcFunc's case it's also pretending to be a DBAL as well (but isn't really)
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Off-topic / Re: symfony vs zend framework
« on September 11th, 2012, 06:40 PM »
And how exactly are you getting nested-sets out of an SQL table? Are you trying to read it from the table then build it into a nested hash map or what?

Sounds to me like half the battle is using the wrong tool for the job in the first place...
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I thought that the first speed to the PDO driver
To do what exactly? Are you jumping through hoops and doing the wrong thing with it?

See, here's the thing you're talking about a very specific, slightly unusual setup and there's any one of a number of things that are likely incorrect in your use case anyway.
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Off-topic / Re: symfony vs zend framework
« on September 11th, 2012, 06:01 PM »
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Guys, tell me a good class for working with nested sets (PDO, PHP5)
Strange that I can not find this in the frameworks
What do you mean by nested sets? What I think of as nested sets is probably not the same thing you're thinking of.
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results surprised:
Why should that be a surprise?
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The Pub / Re: Getting ready for an alpha release: WeCSS/Wess improvements
« on September 11th, 2012, 06:00 PM »
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(Anyone still reading this topic...? :^^;:)
I doubt it.

There are probably two people in this topic who have any understanding of the consequences of this stuff, and one of those has only a vague understanding of it all.

There is only one way to figure this stuff out. Do it and change it if there's a problem down the line. You're discovering the problem I had, that there's so many twists and complexities to it that there's no best right answer, so go with what your gut tells you then adapt and improve if the situation requires it.
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Off-topic / Re: symfony vs zend framework
« on September 11th, 2012, 05:21 PM »
Frameworks should be about saving time and energy in writing, by giving you something pre-prepared. All too often people substitute in a framework because they don't know how to do it themselves.

Now, I'm in the state where I've used most of the frameworks and don't like many of them. What I invariably find with them is that I spend almost as much time tweaking the framework because it doesn't do exactly what I want, as I would have done doing it from scratch anyway.

Also, I'd thoroughly avoid Zend Framework because it's huge and extremely bloated. A setup where using multiple components together could require 300 files *per pageload* seems thoroughly wrong to me.
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Off-topic / Re: Doctor Who
« on September 11th, 2012, 03:47 PM »
No, devious as in shrewd, evil-genius mentality, twisting and turning before we get to the end.

It may have been a kid's show originally, and you know what? A kid would appreciate that. Kids like dinosaurs, and that man is trying to sell them?!?! He's going to have to pay for that!
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Off-topic / Re: Doctor Who
« on September 11th, 2012, 01:41 AM »
This one is more 'I like dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are cool. And this guy wants to SELL them.' I suspect the death of thousands of Silurians is only part of his wrath.

Oh, Waters of Mars was awesome. "Once upon a time there were people in charge of those laws but they died. They all died. Do you know who that leaves? *Me!* It's taken me all these years to realize that the laws of time are *mine* and they will obey me!"

Yes, Eleven is only as smart as Steven Moffat, however, Moffat the puppet-master is far more devious than RTD as puppet master.
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The Pub / Re: Getting ready for an alpha release: WeCSS/Wess improvements
« on September 11th, 2012, 01:34 AM »
Well, ~ is a two key job on most QWERTY keyboards, it's usually shift and something (it varies, on the MacBook layout, it's shift + backtick, others, it's shift plus backslash), but it's still a one-handed job if you're reasonably dexterous.

I don't really mind - aside from not getting involved most of the time with CSS, the fact remains is that my objections are basically whiny and semantic rather than either pragmatic or logical :P

You've been working with this stuff, go with what your gut tells you feels right.

Like me with this bastard quick moderation mess. I've been pretty much rewriting it totally because it just felt so wrong how it was.
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Off-topic / Re: Doctor Who
« on September 10th, 2012, 06:31 PM »
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Look at how his acted toward the folks who kidnapped Amy...
Oh, that's new. Never been angry before.

I sort of chalk that up to never having been that emotionally invested in his companions like that before. It's sort of like the reaction he had during The Idiot's Lantern, after Rose's face was 'stolen':
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The Doctor: The street. They left her in the street. They took her face, and just chucked her out and left her in the street. And as a result, that makes things... simple. Very very simple. Do you know why?

Det. Inspector Bishop: No...
The Doctor: Because now, Detective Inspector Bishop, there is no power on this earth that can stop me!
I see it as a continuation of that, except this time it's his fault. The Wire was not down to him, but the whole thing with Madame Kovarian, the Silence, the whole fact they had kidnapped Amy, the whole Melody Pond setup was solely because of how dangerous he is.

That's really the one colossal difference between Tennant and Smith's Doctors... Ten ran round the universe, seeing what there is to see. He encountered things that he didn't like, and he dealt with them. But mostly it was a reactionary thing.

Eleven on the other hand is a little less reactive and a lot more proactive, and mostly that's down to the fact that he feels responsible. He feels responsible for everything that's happened - because he *is* responsible. It weighs heavily on his mind, and a lot of the nervous energy is overcompensating.
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or the ships who tried to put him in the pandora box.
"Your voice is different, but the arrogance is unchanged." - Davros, The Stolen Earth.

Eleven is clever, probably cleverer than Ten was, if that makes sense. He sees the plan beyond the plan, except not the plan behind that. The entire Pandorica setup was a very clever trap, but it was so well designed that he didn't realise it was a trap until it was too late, mostly because of his arrogant insistence that the Pandorica was a myth.

The way he dismissed the Alliance was mostly to buy time to actually get to examine the Pandorica, not to actually make them go away - he knew full well it would merely buy time, "That should keep them squabbling for half an hour", not realising they were all there together anyway.

In reality that's just feeding into his ego, and under other circumstances he might have realised it was a little too easy to make that happen.
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The Pub / Re: Logo Madness
« on September 10th, 2012, 04:42 PM »
I didn't say it had blue in it. But the grey does look like it's blue-ish. But it does look more consistent with the rest of the elements on the page - even if it doesn't share some of the colours.
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The Pub / Re: Logo Madness
« on September 10th, 2012, 04:26 PM »
It actually fits in better with the colour scheme in Weaving than the previous iteration does. I'm still having the 'BECAUSE I'M BATMAN' vibe though :P
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Off-topic / Re: Doctor Who
« on September 10th, 2012, 03:59 PM »
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okay you have control of the ship but we're still going to shoot the ship because we can
That wasn't a plot hole. By the time the Doctor had control of the ship, the missiles had already fired. They were already in flight on their way by the time that happened, so it wasn't about 'we're still going to shoot the ship', it was 'we've already shot at it, the bullets just haven't got there yet'.
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let's ride that slow Triceratops, it's certainly going to be more efficient than just running while dodging these lame laser shots from the dumb robots...
It was running faster than they could...
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I just can't take any more of that Doctor. He's supposed to be the same doctor, but where did our Tennant go?
No, he's not supposed to be the same Doctor, that's the point. This Doctor is more vengeful than the previous one. From his point of view, this is righting a wrong in the only way he can: the mercenary slaughtered thousands of Silurians who were defending the dinosaurs and whatnot. He can't bring them back, but he can deal with the mercenary, and protect the dinosaurs so that the Silurians' sacrifice was not in vain.

Tennant was basically summed up in School Reunion:
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The Doctor: If I don't like your plan, it will end.
Mr. Finch: Fascinating. Your people were peaceful to the point of indolence. You seem to be something new. Would you declare war on us, Doctor?
The Doctor: I'm so old now. I used to have so much mercy. You get one warning. That was it.
Thing is, that's still there. Except that he is less inclined to issue the warning if the transgression has already occurred.
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I know the Doctor has on occasion killed, but in such a cold-blooded way?
What about the Daleks? The Cybermen? How many thousands of them has he slaughtered? (And make no mistake, we are talking slaughter.)

What I find interesting is the writer. That episode was written by Chris Chibnall, who also wrote the Pond Life mini-series, The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood (from series 5), 42 (from series 3). 42 is possibly even more mediocre than Victory of the Daleks - if an episode is memorably bad, that's one thing, but if it's unmemorable entirely, that's possibly even worse.

It was also deliberately meant to be less interesting than last week. It is intentionally not a story arc episode, it's a fun episode.
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Off-topic / Re: Doctor Who
« on September 10th, 2012, 02:03 PM »
Quote from Kindred on September 10th, 2012, 05:51 AM
ok... just saw the second of the new series....

On the one hand, I liked it, a lot...
on the other hand, Matt Smith's frenetic doctor is really starting to wear on me....
Yeah, I can understand that.

What strikes me is that he's playing it like Troughton. Or, more accurately, he's playing it like Troughton, except what Troughton would have done in 4 25-minute episodes, he's doing in a single 45 minute episode. Compressed brilliance, you might say.

On the other hand, it is a little different to Tennant's legs in running/piston mode every 5 minutes. And it's better than hearing "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry" every other episode, which grated on me.

It's also possibly a sign of something bigger. He knows what's coming, and "we almost possibly have a chance" to fix it. This is the eleventh hour (pun completely intended :P) for the Ponds. Something big is happening and he's trying to stop it.

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Why did he round up everyone before going on board? The big game hunter, yeah, makes sense. Queen Nefertiti? Why not. But rounding up the Ponds, 10 months since he last saw them? Why? What possible reason did he have? Because that 'just wanted a gang, never had a gang before' is the lamest excuse I ever heard :lol: There's no way he could have predicted bringing Brian on board, so there's no way he planned the whole deal with the two-members-of-the-same-gene-chain. Pretty sure he didn't realise it was a Silurian ship until Amy called to tell him.

So why, after 10 months, did he just turn up in their lives again? Especially since at the end of the last season he basically shooed them off the TARDIS to get on with their lives in a new house, etc.