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Off-topic / Re: YAQT (yet another quote thread)
« on June 21st, 2013, 05:43 PM »
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I'm not so sure notifications should be added for "quoted"/"reply to" posts
It's actually written already, just not installed here (@Dragooon makes mucho awesome plugins, yo)
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Maybe you could add "@Username to notify" there?
It's actually a plugin at present. Not that you'd know it's a plugin but it's a plugin. The only core notifications at present are likes and move-topic. Mentions is one of Dragooon's plugins as well (in fact the original notification system was a plugin!)

While it's certainly doable to do that, experience suggests that once people start seeing other people doing it, the need for explanation largely goes away.

What I would suggest in comparison is a list of all the people in the thread for easy clicking, sort of like the contact list in the PM area, but for all the people in thread so far if you want to reply to someone individually. Perhaps include your contacts if you want to include someone in the topic.

I'm not really enthusiastic for more buttons everywhere in the interface.
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Archived fixes / Re: Can't Post Thoughts on IE10 on Win8
« on June 21st, 2013, 05:30 PM »
One thing at a time. querySelectorAll is a valid method but IE doesn't behave properly with it, as per http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15145108/running-jquery-crashing-on-ie10-win7

The other errors, I have no idea what they are... but I don't see why $.get and $.post should behave fundamentally differently.
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Off-topic / Re: YAQT (yet another quote thread)
« on June 21st, 2013, 03:57 AM »
What XF did was to actually limit the height of quotes and make their contents scrollable, which in practice seems to be doing much the same thing.
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Archived fixes / Off limits notification?
« on June 21st, 2013, 03:56 AM »
See attached. Somehow the notifier thinks the board/topic is off limits to me - and yet if I click the link it works exactly as expected and shows me the topic, so it's not actually off limits.

Notification id 611 if you want to check the database.

* Arantor is still not seeing email notifications (all set to periodical)
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The Pub / Re: Question re: disabling forum stats on board index
« on June 21st, 2013, 03:37 AM »
IIRC we had actually done some work on it but I'd need to check to be sure.

* Arantor adds to his todo list
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Off-topic / Re: YAQT (yet another quote thread)
« on June 21st, 2013, 03:26 AM »
This is where I find what XenForo does interesting - they don't have a separation between quote and reply, they just have the reply button which autoquotes the message you're pressing Reply to. In essence, they're encouraging this behaviour. Not saying it's right, but it's interesting.

There's no solution for lazy people. Even if you give them an option they're going to take the option you don't really want them to take.
Quote from live627 on June 21st, 2013, 03:24 AM
Quote from Arantor on June 21st, 2013, 03:10 AM
There is autocomplete for this...
But not in the quick reply box.
Huh, you're right. More interestingly even if the full editor is pulled up in the QR area it doesn't do that.
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The Pub / Re: Question re: disabling forum stats on board index
« on June 21st, 2013, 03:13 AM »
This is from the mists of time - far enough back that not even Pepperidge Farm remembers that.

I believe it may have been related to the way things were done back in YaBBSE days when personal messages weren't even called personal messages but were called instant messages[1].

Now, I know we've done a few things (there are people who take the view that 'disable who's online' should hide the online list as well, due to its ambiguity and I think we fixed it) but you're right, it's something that is weird and probably should be sorted out once and for all.
 1. In the code, even in SMF's code, there are still references to this, including action=im which is present in 2.0 though I believe was removed in 2.1
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Off-topic / Re: YAQT (yet another quote thread)
« on June 21st, 2013, 03:10 AM »
And using @xrunner wouldn't do that? (There is autocomplete for this...)
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Features / Re: More useless nonsense
« on June 20th, 2013, 09:45 PM »
Just to update:
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8 Guests, 3 Users (0 Contacts, 7 Spiders)
Users active in past 15 minutes:
Arantor, (hidden user) , Dragooon, UptimeRobot (2), Panopta, Google (2), Exabot, AhrefsBot
This is why the hit count is normally so messed up.
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Features / Re: New revs
« on June 20th, 2013, 07:22 PM »
(1 file, 2KB)

Revision: 2169
Author: arantor
Date: 20 June 2013 18:22:08
Message:
! Debugging information and error information could sometimes be overwritten in the post-process of Who's Online, making it hard to identify bots at times. (Who.php)
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Modified : /trunk/Sources/Who.php
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Features / Re: More useless nonsense
« on June 20th, 2013, 06:53 PM »
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I'd say, they don't do it because they started their stuff from scratch, and there are tons of things they couldn't bother to implement before they actually went 'gold'...
You kind of have to watch their community to fathom out the approach on this one... it isn't really about what they could or couldn't be bothered to implement. It's more about what they feel is important - and they have a serious track record of listening to their customers.
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Does Google keep track of all existing bots anyway..? :P
No, but it doesn't have to, that's sort of the point.

GA runs in JS on the client side. Bots don't generally run JavaScript. As a result, GA's figures are likely to be far more accurate in that respect. They're wrong in other respects, e.g. browser share because whatever the site owner uses is likely to skew the stats somewhat, but most site owners don't really care too much about that.
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Features / Re: More useless nonsense
« on June 20th, 2013, 06:22 PM »
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While I have no qualms with removing things from SMF that were short-sighted, I don't think that "just because someone else does it differently", it's reason enough to question a feature that's already in SMF and Wedge
Yes it is. The question is not 'should we remove it', at least not immediately. It becomes 'why do they do it differently?' XF does it differently because they believe the majority of owners don't care and would rather use GA to do it anyway.
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Back in the day, when I cared about stats, I never used GA, for two reasons:
- it always gave very small numbers, like 10x smaller than SMF gave me, so I didn't trust it much,
There's a very, very good reason for that: bots are not counted. Bots account for a *surprising* percentage of users.

Right now there are 15 guests, 3 users. 1 of those guests is listed as a known bot, but of the other 14 guests, 5 of those are bots that we currently do not track. (But I'm adding the ones I can see to the list so we can differentiate them)

* Arantor will reply to the rest later on when not busy bashing code.
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Plugins / [Plugin] Re: Notifications system (1.0)
« on June 20th, 2013, 06:11 PM »
Notifications = overall system, Notifier = something in the system of which many instances will be created.

It's like the difference between boards and topics ;)
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Features / Re: More useless nonsense
« on June 20th, 2013, 01:21 AM »
You were the one that said you didn't like the idea ;)

If it were entirely up to me, I'd have dropped even the count of 'guests' currently online entirely and not had sessions for guests at all, saving an insane amount of performance but for some reason people cling to these slightly odd notions of numbers purport to tell them how busy their site is without actually telling them anything useful in that direction.
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Features / Re: More useless nonsense
« on June 20th, 2013, 12:22 AM »
-sigh- You're never going to convince me on this.

Why are you so insistent on having data that I can *prove* to you is fatally incorrect?