Wedge

If you mean the PEAR library, it's unmaintained and had PHP 5.3 issues.

If you mean the not-installed by default class, that doesn't do what I need, nor can be cajoled into doing what I want as far as I can tell.

755 is more permissions than 644...

So I switched the language for the upcoming language pack I'm working on and things were broken. That's actually irrelevant, because it's also broken when I use French too.

For example, http://localhost/wedge/js/topic-1351888249.js.gz doesn't get generated while topic-french-<timestamp>.js.gz does, though topic-french isn't the one that's loaded. Same deal for other languages too, including <is top secret> language pack.

Except that he's always the one who does it. No-one else really minded or cared, because our existence is a fact now, it's not like how it was a couple of years ago when the censure was near total.The rules are the rules is one of the greatest cop out arguments going. Every time the rule is accidentally violated, people question why this is the case - and every time it looks like SMF isn't trying to promote open source but that it's doing the opposite - trying to stifle anything that isn't. It's the same attitude Joomla et al has about the GPL, anything that isn't can go fly a kite.Apparently it is, since even discussion of it is against the rules as stated. That point has been discussed before and even SMF team members have said to the effect that they can see the dichotomy; the rules state that the board is for discussion of open source forks. Wedge is not open source, therefore it cannot be discussed, though there is the apparent loophole of discussion for comparison - but the rules are sufficiently badly worded that you can easily argue either way.

I can understand why you (=team) block non open source discussion, but your users don't. And every time there's the complaint about how it doesn't fit the rules, it gets pushed to Chit Chat, which actually promotes Wedge better - so it's backfiring every single time.

The more you try to suppress such entities (given that we're the only fork that doesn't fit these rules, note) the more you actually promote us. Mind you, I'd note that after I was accused of libel, I decided that I didn't want anything to do with sm.org - and the only reason I'm even mentioning this is because it was brought to my attention elsewhere.

I should note that there have been some other interesting thoughts on the whole SMF/Wedge situation of recent times and this attitude - mostly like politicians, all talk and no do - is why that will never come to pass.

Consider: in the last two years, who has made more progress, SMF or Wedge? Isn't having an open licence supposed to nurture further growth? Because I'm not sure it is.

But again, the point is being missed. I'm spending more time dealing with this crap that was supposed to be over from 2 years ago when we branched off. As far as I'm concerned, I'd absolutely love there to be a fucking great brick wall between Wedge and SMF, so that all the BS and drama like this can't happen. And people wonder why I hate developing software like this, and why I've been trying to leave it all behind now for almost 3 years but I can't seem to manage it because of the fact that right now I feel too guilty to just throw my hands up in the air and walk away. I'd love to do that, because then SMF will do what it's been trying to do for the last 5 years and just quietly kill itself. Because that's where it's going.

smCore is all but dead (no public posts on the forum in over a month, no commits for two), 2.1's progress is modest but no doubt hampered by the same things that have crippled SMF and caused 2.0 to take 5 years to occur... all from all the same problems that lead to crazy situations like this.

I should also add, I never wanted to fork SMF in the first place. Back in July 2010, I NEVER WANTED TO FORK SMF because I knew this was the sort of BS that would come out of it. I knew back then how it would turn out, a fucking great mess. Everything SM's organisation touches ultimately becomes a mess.

On that note, I have things to do, catch you all later.

I'm not sure it is a Webkit bug as such but perhaps circumstances caused in the browser detection when it encountered a Webkit bug?

Inevitably the discussions will be moved to Chit Chat rather than being in the Forks board because Wedge doesn't meet their silly little rules. I'm sure the phase tin-pot dictator is relevant here somehow.It's only private because arantor.org died months ago, but was still being hit by search engines and the like and it's simply easier to just cut access than having to worry about traffic. To be honest I'd forgotten about it until you mentioned it was private... but 16 pages of arguments, yay.Well, smCore is all but dead anyway seeing how there's almost no life in it at all (the last public post on smcore.org was a month ago, the last commit was 2 months ago according to Github) and I'm not even sure who's developing for it any more.

But there is no chance they will adopt anything from Wedge, even if we were to change the licence because it doesn't fit in with how the team do things. Seriously... we've dropped cross-DB support, the calendar as a core item, birthdays as a core item, the ability to have theme-specific preferences for users and stuff like that, and added a bunch of things that they wouldn't be interested in (they don't want a gallery in the core because that would mean it's not just a forum!)

Not to mention all the bad blood that's arisen over the years.He's always been a Nao and an Arantor basher, often hypocritical anyway. You might have missed the previous time that this topic came up, which prompted this topic the first time around - where much the same thing happened - "Why isn't Wedge listed here?" then Motoko complains, then it gets moved to the Chit Chat board where more people saw it than would have done in the forks board.

The thing is, there's more to this story, that's happened inside PMs across multiple forums.Oh, I've never harboured any 'dumping' attitude, like the work was a waste - because it's never been a waste. I just find it so tiring to have to deal with all the stuff that goes with it.Oh, I have a bunch of stuff bubbling away in the background, though this last week without my laptop has really dampened everything down :/ Let's just say that I have another SMF-based site in development (because of the scale of changes that have been, and yet to be, made, using Wedge was something of a non-starter - I wanted primarily to build it and deploy it and not have to worry too much about maintaining the code on it)

That and writing games.That's a lot of it for me too. I miss being able to do something without having to consider all the possible angles.If it's true, it won't generate lawsuits.

r1784 has this facility now. It's not overly elegant but the best I can do for now.