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Features / Re: Changes to banning
« on December 17th, 2012, 05:25 AM »
Yeah, it's long overdue, and it'll be core so it will be less of an issue to maintain. Fun fact of the day, this will also have IP support, something I never wanted to add to Annoy User, though I understood why users did want it and that's why it's going to be here.
Also, I'm pleased this finally motivated me to add 'percent' type support in the admin panel.
Also, I'm pleased this finally motivated me to add 'percent' type support in the admin panel.
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The Pub / Re: Viewing IP addresses and banning
« on December 17th, 2012, 02:27 AM »
If you see suspicious activity, you can report it to a higher-up without an IP address. Either way even if you spot said activity, you'd still have to report it higher up because even if you could see it, you might not be able to do anything about it.
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The Pub / Viewing IP addresses and banning
« on December 17th, 2012, 01:49 AM »
So I ran into a headache with bans.
In Wedge[1] viewing of IP address is its own permission. This is, generally, a good thing because of all the people who want to hide IP addresses every which way.
But banning is a separate permission. Now, while it's somewhat unlikely, I can envisage the situation where someone has the power to ban but no ability to see IP addresses, which means it's somewhat dangerous giving them IP addresses as a ban target since they won't have that information.
This leads me to one of three things:
1. Requiring both view-any IP and ban permission to actually ban. (Seems to me it will cause support topics)
2. Making it so the ban UI doesn't allow them to create/edit IP/hostname bans if they don't have the power to see IP addresses. (Complicated)
3. Not having the IP visibility permission at all and tying it to the ban permission.
See, here's the thing. I have no idea what the point of having IP addresses visible anywhere is (not even in the likes of track IP or even moderation log) if you can't do anything with it. Seems to me that the only thing that actually really makes use of it is banning, and if you can ban, you can see all IP addresses - and if you can't ban, you can't see them. I'm struggling to envisage any case at all where you would need IP addresses but not the power to ban, more importantly what can you do with an IP address if you *can't* ban anyway?
In Wedge[1] viewing of IP address is its own permission. This is, generally, a good thing because of all the people who want to hide IP addresses every which way.
But banning is a separate permission. Now, while it's somewhat unlikely, I can envisage the situation where someone has the power to ban but no ability to see IP addresses, which means it's somewhat dangerous giving them IP addresses as a ban target since they won't have that information.
This leads me to one of three things:
1. Requiring both view-any IP and ban permission to actually ban. (Seems to me it will cause support topics)
2. Making it so the ban UI doesn't allow them to create/edit IP/hostname bans if they don't have the power to see IP addresses. (Complicated)
3. Not having the IP visibility permission at all and tying it to the ban permission.
See, here's the thing. I have no idea what the point of having IP addresses visible anywhere is (not even in the likes of track IP or even moderation log) if you can't do anything with it. Seems to me that the only thing that actually really makes use of it is banning, and if you can ban, you can see all IP addresses - and if you can't ban, you can't see them. I'm struggling to envisage any case at all where you would need IP addresses but not the power to ban, more importantly what can you do with an IP address if you *can't* ban anyway?
| 1. | SMF doesn't do it this way, it ties the permission to moderate_forum. |
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Off-topic / Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« on December 17th, 2012, 12:39 AM »
Well, IPB is kinda ugly under the hood and there are some things I really don't like about the way it does things, but all in all, it's really not that bad. It's not particularly efficient, but to a point that's a valid assessment on IPB's part - if you're paying for the software, you're likely to be prepared to pay for decent hosting too so the higher number of queries is acceptable.
What amazes me, really, is what's included out of the box. There's a shit-ton of features I would never have thought of, let alone integrated for easy use. Things like LDAP support, IP.Connect, RSS importing (feed posting) as well as truly configurable RSS exports (you can actually configure what feeds are available, rather than having something that just serves whatever's requested, permission permitting)
One of these days I should go through and do a commentary on everything it has. XenForo was, IMNSHO, not really worth the cash. I'm not entirely sure about IPB's plugins, but IP Core itself is quite reasonable for what you get.
What amazes me, really, is what's included out of the box. There's a shit-ton of features I would never have thought of, let alone integrated for easy use. Things like LDAP support, IP.Connect, RSS importing (feed posting) as well as truly configurable RSS exports (you can actually configure what feeds are available, rather than having something that just serves whatever's requested, permission permitting)
One of these days I should go through and do a commentary on everything it has. XenForo was, IMNSHO, not really worth the cash. I'm not entirely sure about IPB's plugins, but IP Core itself is quite reasonable for what you get.
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Off-topic / Re: GMail domains
« on December 17th, 2012, 12:36 AM »
Well, gmail.de seems to redirect back to gmail.com but I gather some people were able to send emails from it :/ gmail.ru isn't owned by Google.
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The Pub / Re: Getting ready for an alpha release: WeCSS/Wess improvements
« on December 17th, 2012, 12:02 AM »I'm talking about the non-cached files, not the cached versions... Alright?
Both are currently valid, but the second one won't automatically force a browser keyword to be added to the cached filename (which is bad.)
The rtl file is the best way to simply forget about rtl support...
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Plugins / Re: Extending the moderation filter actions when posting
« on December 17th, 2012, 12:00 AM »I'm still not seeing the popup stuff, even after doing all of that.
I was expecting a '?' icon or something..?
But it should update after a first character was entered, rather than going out of the input area.
It doesn't need a rewrite, just a couple of tweaks...
The only problem with altering it in that fashion is that there's no user messages or anything, nor any logic to show any, in the event of the user trying to add something stupid. Thus it triggers onchange and only if there's something valid does it show anything. But it wasn't done out of laziness, it was to cause the user to stop a moment and check they'd put in what they meant to put in before they hit the add or save buttons respectively.
I'm just thinking that it's more logical to have a generic popup template like we do have a generic menu template, and then use that for the Help popups as well...
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The Pub / Re: Getting ready for an alpha release: WeCSS/Wess improvements
« on December 16th, 2012, 11:41 PM »
Seems to me it should generally create a new CSS suffix.
@is (rtl) is probably superfluous, since there should be .rtl.css files for the cases when it is RTL, no?
@is (rtl) is probably superfluous, since there should be .rtl.css files for the cases when it is RTL, no?
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Off-topic / Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« on December 16th, 2012, 11:38 PM »
Oh, it won't be a problem. The biggest hurdles about support - file permissions - aren't nearly as much of a problem (or shouldn't be :D)
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The Pub / Re: Getting ready for an alpha release: WeCSS/Wess improvements
« on December 16th, 2012, 11:22 PM »
Then leave it for now, let it bubble away in your subconscious and when a solution strikes, it'll strike and you'll figure it out :)
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Off-topic / Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« on December 16th, 2012, 11:20 PM »
Remember that vB has been around for over a decade, as has phpBB and because vB has been around that long, and survived, it's been very much the 'go to' software, despite Internet Brands trying so hard to kill the momentum with 3.7 onwards (which is when their meddling started, 4.0 was the first version that was solely produced by them and Kier himself even said that it couldn't be done in the timescale that IB wanted it done in, seeing how the manager of Jelsoft was lying to IB about how far development into 4.0 was, the whole thing's a nuclear CF.)
I'd love to see Wedge there this time next year but I'm also aware that MyBB has an awful lot of snobbish fanboys who will tell all their friends not to use Wedge because it's 'a modified SMF'. Lots of arrogance right there.
(Mind you, interesting fact, MyBB was copyrighted from 2003, just as SMF was, and yet their forum is less than 1/4 the size of SMF's support forum.)
I'd love to see Wedge there this time next year but I'm also aware that MyBB has an awful lot of snobbish fanboys who will tell all their friends not to use Wedge because it's 'a modified SMF'. Lots of arrogance right there.
(Mind you, interesting fact, MyBB was copyrighted from 2003, just as SMF was, and yet their forum is less than 1/4 the size of SMF's support forum.)
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Off-topic / Re: GMail domains
« on December 16th, 2012, 10:05 PM »
You could legitimately mark everything as read and as stuff comes up it'll get bumped and thus unread. Take it steady, and don't go mad :)
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Off-topic / Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« on December 16th, 2012, 10:04 PM »
Don't worry, vBulletin is going to come crashing down a bit when vB 5 lands, it's going to upset a lot of people. Not to mention that the lawsuit against XenForo has effectively frozen development now, to the point where there has been no new releases, not even bug fixes, in the best part of a year, and I'm given to understand that one of the two developers has also left the company.
Next year is going to be a very interesting year since I see no reason why we won't be able to push forward to some kind of public release.
Next year is going to be a very interesting year since I see no reason why we won't be able to push forward to some kind of public release.
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The Pub / Re: Getting ready for an alpha release: WeCSS/Wess improvements
« on December 16th, 2012, 09:58 PM »
No... Everything, even the Opera variant on my Nokia PureView sends a UA with Mobile Safari in it, so it's not even like you can work on that. iOS Webkit isn't that bad, but I don't have any Android devices to compare against.
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The Pub / Re: Getting ready for an alpha release: WeCSS/Wess improvements
« on December 16th, 2012, 09:05 PM »
It's not even like you can search for Mobile Safari either, since pretty much every mobile browser seems to send that header.
Apple is going to continue to refuse alternate engines for the time being.
Apple is going to continue to refuse alternate engines for the time being.