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Features / Re: Icon alignment
« on March 12th, 2013, 03:31 PM »
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That's an extra 11 bytes. With a bit of CSS simplification, I went down to 29090. Only 5 more bytes...
Ah, you're forgetting one thing about inlining something versus the HTTP request for it: the saving of that round trip. Sure, the DNS will be reused as will the HTTP connection (at least in theory), but the actual bandwidth of the request saved easily is more than 5 bytes. In fact it's probably into the hundreds of bytes I saved, while making it faster. If you look at a single page in isolation, sure, you'll see an increase - especially if it's a page without the sort image, but the incremental cost is lower on any pages that do use it.
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Pete likes them (true enough, the sort.gif image is 90 bytes, as opposed to 146 bytes for sort_down+sort_up).
I don't really care much either way. The key thing is that I get to push things into the CSS that weren't in the CSS before and the easiest way I know of doing that is a sprite. I'm not fussed if you'd prefer me to keep individual images and use url-no-base64 instead to call them.
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3/ If the icon is taller than the current text, it won't resize to fit. So, the icon will be partially hidden. I can't think of many situations where this is desirable.
Hmm. I'd be inclined to leave it as-is and change it on requirement.
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Features / Re: Message icons, some proposed changes
« on March 12th, 2013, 01:03 AM »
Do message icons actually need a description? They have one right now, but I'm not convinced they *need* one. It would certainly save some DB effort in trying to store/manage/display multiple languages' worth. (Since there's a problem right now, a forum with non-default icons can't have a separate description for each language.)

Thoughts?
Posted: March 12th, 2013, 12:58 AM

Don't forget, actually, if you edit the icon in-situ, you don't get the descriptions.
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Plugins / Re: The whole "core feature" thing
« on March 12th, 2013, 12:55 AM »
Nah, the smiley is related to the whole 'here's a free program, would you like to install some crappy toolbar while you're installing this free program?' Like various of the torrent software trying to foist Ask toolbars on you.

If I were seriously going down that road, I'd actually write a system to prepare builds on the server and let people build packages together if it's optional.

But something like notifications is not something I'd want as an 'optional' feature if that makes sense.
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Plugins / [Plugin] Re: Notifications system (1.0)
« on March 12th, 2013, 12:31 AM »
But if the number is part of the popup, what do users interact with to get the popup?
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Features / Re: New revs
« on March 11th, 2013, 09:44 PM »
(20 modified, 1 added, 3 deleted, 9KB)

Revision: 1989[1]
Author: arantor
Date: 11 March 2013 20:39:40
Message:
! Consistent styling in newsletters area, leading to dropping an old language string. (ManageNews.template.php, Admin language files)

! String that as far as I could tell wasn't being used. There is a string with the same key in index, but that particular string is used in the bbcode. (Search language file)

! Replaced old sortselect styling with the more correct foldable styling - all the places it is used, it is used in a foldable context. (ManageLanguages.template.php, ManagePermissions.template.php, sections.css, sortselect.gif)

! Literal string use in the board permissions code. (Load.php)

! Replaced the old sort_down and sort_up images with a single sprited image, configurable in the CSS. It's a small detail but to me quite an important one. It's used in quite a few places, actually. (sort_up.gif, sort_down.gif, sort.gif, index.css, Aeva-Foxy.php, ManageMembergroups.template.php, Memberlist.template.php, MessageIndex.template.php, PersonalMessage.template.php, Profile.template.php, Recent.template.php, Who.template.php)[2]
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Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/ManageLanguages.template.php
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Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/ManageNews.template.php
Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/ManagePermissions.template.php
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Modified : /trunk/Themes/default/languages/Admin.english.php
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 1. "I want to you to tell all your friends about me..."
"But what are you?"
"I'M BATMAN."

Either that, or "It ain't much I'm asking, I heard him say,
Gotta find me a future, move out of my way,
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now!
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now!"
 2. This is used in a bunch of places, and not all of them are members-only, so I felt justified in putting it into the main index file.
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on March 11th, 2013, 09:17 PM »
This is a team, of which multiple current (non dev) members have expressed the opinion that developers are no more important than other team members and those that have that opinion have made it clear they either don't understand why this is inappropriate for a project for SMF, or don't care about that.
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Plugins / [Plugin] Re: Notifications system (1.0)
« on March 11th, 2013, 09:07 PM »
I like the overall idea of the popup but the (1) bit needs to be bigger and more prominent and preferably with a label to indicate what it is.
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Off-topic / Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« on March 11th, 2013, 09:06 PM »
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each gender thinks the other gender gets better treatment.
That's just your opinion. It's wrong, but we'll let that go for a minute.
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There are many cultures under matriarchy that has the same complaints exept is the other way around, when mens complain it gets viewed as "liberation", simply because is a matriarchy  society.
Except you don't understand why this is wrong. The complaints of one gender vs the other are not suddenly more legitimate because of whichever gender is currently dominant. Both sides have legitimate complaints, except one side's arguments are respected as 'liberation' and the other side's is NOT respected because that's sexist.

Consider, for example, spousal abuse. If a man hits a woman, that's thoroughly wrong - as it should be. But what if a woman hits a man? Don't tell me it doesn't happen. It's just as wrong, but it's perceived differently because of the gender bias.

Drop the 'liberation' nonsense. Drop the 'grass is greener' nonsense. Both sides have inequalities. Both sides would do well to remember the opinions of the other side.
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on March 11th, 2013, 08:58 PM »
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Team members over there are like Greek gods (I used to use an analogy between team boards and mount Olympus). People admire team members and wants to be on the team.
Yes, that's a very legitimate observation. The team do not understand why this is a problem.
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Old school/seasoned team members can easily manipulate this new blood because the new blood is:
The side problem is that you and I indirectly manipulate the new blood as well.
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Then the new blood finds out the cake is a lie and decides to leave but then again there is another batch of new blood ready to be fetched at the front door and so the loop continues.
Ah, but that's the thing. There will always be a churn of the bottom end of the pantheon, sure. Always going to be lesser beings to become demiurges. But there are so many fewer of the upper echelons, those with the power to move heaven and earth if it is required.

IOW, there will always be more support staff recruits. But a notable lack of customisers and especially developers.
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Off-topic / Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« on March 11th, 2013, 08:55 PM »
Sure they can. But it's funny how when women do it, it's 'liberation' and 'because we live in a gender biased society' as though it is a legitimate complaint, but when men complain about it, it's wrong that we're complaining about it.

Like I said, it works both ways.
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a woman can also rant about injustice just as easily as men and their rants are just as valid to them as mens rants are valid to men
Except you're implying that the rants are both invalid. They're both equally valid, in that there's a problem. It's how the rants are perceived. You've obviously decided that it's acceptable for men to be discriminated against as long as women aren't.
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« on March 11th, 2013, 08:44 PM »
You mean like Labradoodle?

* Arantor bursts into laughter.
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Off-topic / Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« on March 11th, 2013, 08:44 PM »
No, it isn't, that's the point. The point is that from experience, men can't possibly be right, whatever we do it's wrong.
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Features / Re: Mini-skeletons
« on March 11th, 2013, 08:20 PM »
I'm thinking it would probably be better, all in all, yes.
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Off-topic / Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« on March 11th, 2013, 08:12 PM »
Yeah, but then we're accused of being pig-headed, arrogant and/or misogynistic.

* Arantor has been down this road.
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Off-topic / Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« on March 11th, 2013, 08:01 PM »
>_<

I sympathise, though. I remember the office job I used to work in, men had to wear shirt + tie, women... not so much. The rules just seemed so lax by comparison and the rules weren't often properly enforced.

Mind you. I got my own back in the end. Even then - and we're going back almost a decade now - I had long hair and had it tied back. Until my hairband snapped one day and the head of HR saw me and was all "why isn't your hair tied back?"

Now, remember, I was just a lowly grunt at this point in time, I was pretty much working in the mail room. I never met the 'customer', never spoke to them, etc. so there was really no need for me to look entirely presentable.

But the head of HR... was a woman and had long hair. And I utter the magic words - no, not 'Surely you see the hypocrisy of what you're saying?' but simply "I don't see any rules that the women also have to have their hair tied back. Are you going to discriminate against me because I'm male?" or words to that effect. Certainly 'discrimination' was the word used. The look on her face was priceless.

Then a couple of years later (and a change of HR boss later), I was on temporary assignment to the facilities department. and for health and safety reasons, we didn't wear ties. But of course when I returned back to my old stomping ground, back to the ties. And I gently took my boss aside and made mention of the whole gender discrimination angle, followed by the fact that 'unless Facilities is going to change paper in the printers, and the fax machines and whatnot, it's also a health and safety issue', and then there was a meeting with HR and a few weeks later it was announced that ties were no longer a requirement. Funny that.

I have absolutely no issue with equality in the workplace, as far as practical but the door swings both ways.