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Archived fixes / Re: PM's say 2 responses.
« on May 1st, 2012, 12:50 AM »
All in one.
Noticed it the other day.. But its deffo saying 2 responses when I only made one each time.
Noticed it the other day.. But its deffo saying 2 responses when I only made one each time.
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Archived fixes / PM's say 2 responses.
« on April 30th, 2012, 02:20 PM »
PM's say 2 responses when there has only been one.
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The Pub / Re: The Cookie Law (in the UK at least)
« on April 23rd, 2012, 10:18 AM »
@markham
Yeah your right.. I coded a lot into the shoutbox myself so I can simply stop them cookies being set.
Its still setting a cookie for the media box even though guests really shouldn't see it anyway, as its not even open to guests lol.
The cookie is set by js, but a tiny bit of js is coded inside the index of the shoutbox, so will move that to the js file which is only issued to logged in members.
Which will solve that problem ;)
Just need to modify the page that displays the information about the cookies to display each cookie and what they do.
I suppose for google analytic's you could also just put this before it in the head.
Code: [Select]
Also reading a lot of discussion about it. It does seem like these big company's might not be taking this serious.
Maybe its my hoping in chance that it will get challenged and thrown out.
I mean who wants to be throwing alerts at people to accept, lol..
I'm not saying I don't agree with the new law, but I certainly think its should be looked at again and properly, probably in my favour LOL.
Edit: I would just like to add.. The cookie that is set from the mod is only supposed to last for that "session" I don't think there is a need to keep throwing it at the users face every time they revisit.
If my understanding is correct, they only have to agree to it once.
Yeah your right.. I coded a lot into the shoutbox myself so I can simply stop them cookies being set.
Its still setting a cookie for the media box even though guests really shouldn't see it anyway, as its not even open to guests lol.
The cookie is set by js, but a tiny bit of js is coded inside the index of the shoutbox, so will move that to the js file which is only issued to logged in members.
Which will solve that problem ;)
Just need to modify the page that displays the information about the cookies to display each cookie and what they do.
I suppose for google analytic's you could also just put this before it in the head.
if (!ecl_authorized_cookies())Also reading a lot of discussion about it. It does seem like these big company's might not be taking this serious.
Maybe its my hoping in chance that it will get challenged and thrown out.
I mean who wants to be throwing alerts at people to accept, lol..
I'm not saying I don't agree with the new law, but I certainly think its should be looked at again and properly, probably in my favour LOL.
Edit: I would just like to add.. The cookie that is set from the mod is only supposed to last for that "session" I don't think there is a need to keep throwing it at the users face every time they revisit.
If my understanding is correct, they only have to agree to it once.
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The Pub / Re: Number of 'online users'
« on April 23rd, 2012, 09:58 AM »
Hey Arantor,
I would like to apologise as I can get a little carried away.
We are all competitive in life and I guess I got carried away in my statements.
So for that I am sorry as I didn't mean to cause any offence.
I'm a very defensive person myself and I can take what people say to me personally.
Cheer up, I like what you are doing with wedge and your thoughts on giving up are not worth contemplating.
You should always finish what you start, regardless of the obstacles that step in your way.
No point in starting if you are thinking of not finishing.
Its part of the challenge just like life its self.
If you don't finish then you are only going to let yourself down. You know that.
Your strong minded and always like to defend your point. That's a quality a lot of people lack.
The way I think about things is like this. If you agree with everyone all the time, then nothing will progress.
The part of disagreeing allows you to challenge what you do agree with.
Didn't mean to offend you or cause you aggravation.
Peace,
Star.
I would like to apologise as I can get a little carried away.
We are all competitive in life and I guess I got carried away in my statements.
So for that I am sorry as I didn't mean to cause any offence.
I'm a very defensive person myself and I can take what people say to me personally.
Cheer up, I like what you are doing with wedge and your thoughts on giving up are not worth contemplating.
You should always finish what you start, regardless of the obstacles that step in your way.
No point in starting if you are thinking of not finishing.
Its part of the challenge just like life its self.
If you don't finish then you are only going to let yourself down. You know that.
Your strong minded and always like to defend your point. That's a quality a lot of people lack.
The way I think about things is like this. If you agree with everyone all the time, then nothing will progress.
The part of disagreeing allows you to challenge what you do agree with.
Didn't mean to offend you or cause you aggravation.
Peace,
Star.
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The Pub / Re: Number of 'online users'
« on April 22nd, 2012, 03:34 AM »
You need to chill out and see a doctor lad.
You seriously have some constructive issues.
If you are going to flame every negative point like you know best, then why ask/raise the question in the 1st place.
Even stating in your "thoughts" its a debate raises the concern that you can't even handle a debate.
No point in being inventive when you can't take on board ideas of other people without being a complete dickhead in your replies.
If you wanna sit there and think you are better than me. I will prove to you that you ain't.
I don't appreciate anyone talking down to me and that's something you need to think about when you talk to others!
And trust me when I say that...... If you go around thinking everyone is a muppet then your deluded and the real muppet is the one with the vision that blurs reality.
Also the points you lay out to me I never correct you on the actual mistakes you make.
You contradict yourself a lot on your OWN statements and I will be happy to point them out to you.
Awstats does use resources, END OF. Whether them resources are used only in use.. It uses resources.. The fact its running and installed on your machine uses resources. Even IDLE programs USE resources.. Correction SIR. You ain't right!
Also some people disable logging of a lot of things like images, css, js files to decrease the size of the access logs as they can take GB's of data.
What compelled you to feel the need to flame this statement when what I stated was correct yet you had to add your little extra onto it.
You look for anything to flame and dig at with comments yet the best response to a user is to be polite!
For one you don't even know me. Yet you are fast on the trigger of your perception on thinking you can talk down to me.
If you have something to say.. Then say it with the knowledge, that what you do will come back to you.. Its as simple as that.
I got respect for nao as he doesn't jump so fast on triggers on flaming people because they don't agree with what you say, or have a point to make.
If you think for one second I will allow you to disrespect me.. Come again..
You seriously have some constructive issues.
If you are going to flame every negative point like you know best, then why ask/raise the question in the 1st place.
Even stating in your "thoughts" its a debate raises the concern that you can't even handle a debate.
No point in being inventive when you can't take on board ideas of other people without being a complete dickhead in your replies.
If you wanna sit there and think you are better than me. I will prove to you that you ain't.
I don't appreciate anyone talking down to me and that's something you need to think about when you talk to others!
And trust me when I say that...... If you go around thinking everyone is a muppet then your deluded and the real muppet is the one with the vision that blurs reality.
Also the points you lay out to me I never correct you on the actual mistakes you make.
You contradict yourself a lot on your OWN statements and I will be happy to point them out to you.
Awstats does use resources, END OF. Whether them resources are used only in use.. It uses resources.. The fact its running and installed on your machine uses resources. Even IDLE programs USE resources.. Correction SIR. You ain't right!
Also some people disable logging of a lot of things like images, css, js files to decrease the size of the access logs as they can take GB's of data.
What compelled you to feel the need to flame this statement when what I stated was correct yet you had to add your little extra onto it.
You look for anything to flame and dig at with comments yet the best response to a user is to be polite!
For one you don't even know me. Yet you are fast on the trigger of your perception on thinking you can talk down to me.
If you have something to say.. Then say it with the knowledge, that what you do will come back to you.. Its as simple as that.
I got respect for nao as he doesn't jump so fast on triggers on flaming people because they don't agree with what you say, or have a point to make.
If you think for one second I will allow you to disrespect me.. Come again..
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The Pub / Re: Number of 'online users'
« on April 22nd, 2012, 02:53 AM »
You wanna see the size of my access logs and filter out what a guest is doing lol?
You could have something like awstat which takes away the need for analytic's which will place cookies on your machine and the user has to accept them.
But awstats is just a waste of resources really, that's why people use analytic's it looks better and you get more info, without it consuming CPU and memory.
The good thing is, you are not saying.. Lets just remove any statistics of all guests so it reports non. I am sure that wouldn't be very nice.
So the options are that, you remove logging of guests actions meaning you will resort to using some other analytic's to provide the forum owner with the statistics if they so need to view them.
To be honest, there isn't really a down side to it.. I am just stating some points to an equation that can scope the field.
I mean, if possible you could even consider a plugin that is optional for the forum owner to track this kind of stuff within the forum.
You could have something like awstat which takes away the need for analytic's which will place cookies on your machine and the user has to accept them.
But awstats is just a waste of resources really, that's why people use analytic's it looks better and you get more info, without it consuming CPU and memory.
The good thing is, you are not saying.. Lets just remove any statistics of all guests so it reports non. I am sure that wouldn't be very nice.
So the options are that, you remove logging of guests actions meaning you will resort to using some other analytic's to provide the forum owner with the statistics if they so need to view them.
To be honest, there isn't really a down side to it.. I am just stating some points to an equation that can scope the field.
I mean, if possible you could even consider a plugin that is optional for the forum owner to track this kind of stuff within the forum.
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The Pub / Re: Number of 'online users'
« on April 22nd, 2012, 02:34 AM »
I would like to argue against the fact of not knowing what guests are doing other than checking your server logs.
To you it might mean nothing. But to someone who is building a new website for its viewers, these statistics can be a asset to them.
We all know when a new website forms a lot of people like these numbers to look like people are active so they can get more activity on the site.
For a users point of view, if I logged on to a site and saw no activity, then I wouldn't be that interested.
Even if its says "guest" its still reporting some activity and gives the forum owner indication that there is users on the site. Even though they could be search engines and not actual people. But actual people may not know this, so could be good for them to have.
I like your idea of tracking through IP, so if that's the way to go then, you could add some kind of triggers that logs guest information based on what they are viewing, and also have maybe something that prunes these logs every so often so they don't fill up with trash.
Might not be great on performance maybe, but its just a suggestion.
Just an idea on thought and what I think would be nice ;)
To you it might mean nothing. But to someone who is building a new website for its viewers, these statistics can be a asset to them.
We all know when a new website forms a lot of people like these numbers to look like people are active so they can get more activity on the site.
For a users point of view, if I logged on to a site and saw no activity, then I wouldn't be that interested.
Even if its says "guest" its still reporting some activity and gives the forum owner indication that there is users on the site. Even though they could be search engines and not actual people. But actual people may not know this, so could be good for them to have.
I like your idea of tracking through IP, so if that's the way to go then, you could add some kind of triggers that logs guest information based on what they are viewing, and also have maybe something that prunes these logs every so often so they don't fill up with trash.
Might not be great on performance maybe, but its just a suggestion.
Just an idea on thought and what I think would be nice ;)
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The Pub / Re: The Cookie Law (in the UK at least)
« on April 21st, 2012, 11:13 PM »I still think we should try tracking guests through their ip if feasable ;)
I coded a group channel in the shoutbox using cookies, so its not constantly using the database to check what channel they are in.
Wouldn't be too healthy when you are running at 1sec intervals.
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Archived fixes / Re: Thoughts not display @ on initial post
« on April 21st, 2012, 11:03 PM »I can probably make it show everything as needed though. This hack was a quick fix when I developed the feature. I just don't remember why I failed to make it work even though it sends the thought back via Ajax...
The response is probably different than the display all. As in you not included the @ in the response.
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The Pub / Re: The Cookie Law (in the UK at least)
« on April 21st, 2012, 10:46 PM »
Yeah I think it is kind of an argument whether or not you can have these cookies.
Because as it states and I quoteQuote Meaning the PHPSESSID really shouldn't be a problem as the whole purpose of the cookie is to track individual guests and uniquely identify them right?
Which is says above is perfectly fine to do so, aslong as its not used for marketing or customer preference, its a forum nothing to sell. So you could probably argue that and win.
Then there is this line.Quote I am not 100% sure, but is the cookie a session cookie, meaning when you close the browser its expired and no longer valid?
As it does lots of database logging on guest actions, if the cookie doesn't actually do this, you could simply adapt that cookie to follow the guide lines on here. Like it says, it is perfectly o.k. to track a unique user as they click through pages.
So if a guest is browsing the forums and clicking through pages, you are going to lose them.
I think the best thing to do, if this doesn't apply is to adapt the cookie to fall directly under these terms.
I think that would be a better way, and would allow tracking to still exist. As in uniquely identify them.
Because as it states and I quote
Not all first-party session cookies will fall into the ‘strictly
necessary’ category for the purposes of the legislation. Strictly
necessary cookies will generally be used to store a unique
identifier to manage and identify the user as unique to other
users currently viewing the website, in order to provide a
consistent and accurate service to the user.
Examples include:
• Remembering previous actions (e.g. entered text) when
navigating back to a page in the same session.
• Managing and passing security tokens to different services
within a website to identify the visitor’s status (e.g. logged in
or not)
• To maintain tokens for the implementation of secure areas of
the website
• To route customers to specific versions/applications of a
service, such as might be used during a technical migration
Which is says above is perfectly fine to do so, aslong as its not used for marketing or customer preference, its a forum nothing to sell. So you could probably argue that and win.
Then there is this line.
Generally these cookies will be essential first-party session
cookies, and if persistent or third party, there should be a good
justification for this
As it does lots of database logging on guest actions, if the cookie doesn't actually do this, you could simply adapt that cookie to follow the guide lines on here. Like it says, it is perfectly o.k. to track a unique user as they click through pages.
So if a guest is browsing the forums and clicking through pages, you are going to lose them.
I think the best thing to do, if this doesn't apply is to adapt the cookie to fall directly under these terms.
I think that would be a better way, and would allow tracking to still exist. As in uniquely identify them.
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Archived fixes / Re: Thoughts not display @ on initial post
« on April 21st, 2012, 10:27 PM »That's not a bug, that's exactly as designed.
Thought it was a bug lol.
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Archived fixes / Thoughts not display @ on initial post
« on April 21st, 2012, 10:24 PM »
Hey,
I just replied to nao's statement about baidu bots, and when I initially submitted it, it didn't display @nao
When I refreshed it then displayed the @nao, but didn't display it when I initially posted it.
I am using google chrome.
I just replied to nao's statement about baidu bots, and when I initially submitted it, it didn't display @nao
When I refreshed it then displayed the @nao, but didn't display it when I initially posted it.
I am using google chrome.
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The Pub / Re: The Cookie Law (in the UK at least)
« on April 21st, 2012, 10:11 PM »Unfortunately neither of the solutions work. That by the-person-whose-name-I-can't-read-let-alone-pronounce didn't work at all. The second one, by Emanuele, isn't preventing the PHPSESSID (ie visitors) cookie from being set.
It did work, I set it up and it disabled cookies for guests until they agreed to use them, using the notice that is placed at the top.
So SMF didn't issue no cookies at all lol.
It says, either agree, login or register to accept the cookie.
Then it places an ecl_ cookie on your computer to verify that you have accepted lol.
I checked and there was no cookie issued to the guest only analytic's and shoutbox, not SMF.
I have un installed it now, as it looks a mess right now lol.
But I believe it does the job, with an extra page that you can click in the notice where all the information will be about the cookies.
Nothing on it as of yet lol.
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The Pub / Re: The Cookie Law (in the UK at least)
« on April 21st, 2012, 05:27 AM »
This is why I like Arantor. You take your time out to reply, and educate + 1
You got skillz bro.. You will get rich one day doing this!
I just viewed that website and man that looks so easy how they have done it.
Only thing is stopping these cookies from my site being stored for guests GRRRR.
Especially those from 3rd party websites, like facebook, google, youtube.. Grrr I hate them now!
I do have a template theme changer that is open to guests, I can just display that to members only.
Put in the registration agreement that they allow all cookies and *hope* SMF do something about guest cookies.
Also need a page that displays each cookie and what that cookie does. Well there is only 3 cookies I made myself.
Which I can explain simply as they are only
Category 3: functionality cookies
For things like the Shoutbox remembering which chat channel you are in and the theme changer lol.
Still my problem with 3rd party cookies unless they sort that out them selves.
That would mean minimal work for me XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Last one is analytic's, meh. What's the point in having it on the forums when you can't allow guests lol.
I mean as if a guest is really gonna OPT IN.. I wouldn't lol.
Guess I will remove that. I don't even use it anyway to be honest.
Will probably improve the speed of the website as well XD.
I thank you guys for making me aware of this as I seriously would never of known.
I spoken to alot of friends UK also.. They had no idea either..
Shocking heh.
You got skillz bro.. You will get rich one day doing this!
I just viewed that website and man that looks so easy how they have done it.
Only thing is stopping these cookies from my site being stored for guests GRRRR.
Especially those from 3rd party websites, like facebook, google, youtube.. Grrr I hate them now!
I do have a template theme changer that is open to guests, I can just display that to members only.
Put in the registration agreement that they allow all cookies and *hope* SMF do something about guest cookies.
Also need a page that displays each cookie and what that cookie does. Well there is only 3 cookies I made myself.
Which I can explain simply as they are only
Category 3: functionality cookies
For things like the Shoutbox remembering which chat channel you are in and the theme changer lol.
Still my problem with 3rd party cookies unless they sort that out them selves.
That would mean minimal work for me XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Last one is analytic's, meh. What's the point in having it on the forums when you can't allow guests lol.
I mean as if a guest is really gonna OPT IN.. I wouldn't lol.
Guess I will remove that. I don't even use it anyway to be honest.
Will probably improve the speed of the website as well XD.
I thank you guys for making me aware of this as I seriously would never of known.
I spoken to alot of friends UK also.. They had no idea either..
Shocking heh.
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The Pub / Re: The Cookie Law (in the UK at least)
« on April 21st, 2012, 02:42 AM »
Oo right I been reading this PDF for more information that is UPTO date and issued in April
http://www.international-chamber.co.uk/components/com_wordpress/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/icc_uk_cookie_guide.pdf
It says this about your problem with guest cookies.Quote Quote So I believe that wedge and SMF are covered by these cookies that produce a session ID to individually identify a guest and you do not need permission.
So you don't need to worry about that.
So in effect, strictly necessary cookies like session ID's for guests do not need consent.
Maybe someone can correct me on that.
All the other cookies, such as performance and blah you could put in the registration agreement
So cookies that remember a change on your website like a theme option or what ever.
Another head ache is we use analytic's and have images from photo bucket that some one posted on the home page.
All these are storing cookies on users computers!
Paypal some how have a cookie stored, youtube because there is a youtube video in the shoutbox... Facebook like.
Google plus one.
I imagine all these need users permission.
Man this is giving me a head ache. I mean seriously.
I can see the reason why they are implying these laws, but some of them are stupid.
Like changing a theme layout and storing a cookie you need users permission for a cookie that probably only has the option a, b or c.
Annoying!
What can I do about these 3rd paty cookies that are simply being placed on the website simply because of a donate button, or an image from photobucket, a video from youtube being posted.
Like every person who owns a site in the UK has the time to do all this and research it :(
I really don't understand what to do about all the youtube cookies, paypal or any content that can be on the home page and what not.. Do I have to disable use for guests?
These laws should be put in place for websites that display adverts or sell a product or something..
Not to the standard website owner.. Its just too much effort for us to comply with this.. I mean seriously a lot of effort.
I have spent hours already on this subject alone and not even started to implement it.......... HEAD ACHE...
I really don't wanna waste a hell of alot more time actually implementing this and the thought is like I really don't wanna do it.
But I have to... You know that feeling right.?
1st I dunno how I am going to do it lol.
Rant over SCREW DEM!
http://www.international-chamber.co.uk/components/com_wordpress/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/icc_uk_cookie_guide.pdf
It says this about your problem with guest cookies.
Category 1: strictly
necessary cookies
For those types of cookies that are strictly necessary, no
consent is required
Generally these cookies will be essential first-party session
cookies, and if persistent or third party, there should be a good
justification for this.
Not all first-party session cookies will fall into the ‘strictly
necessary’ category for the purposes of the legislation. Strictly
necessary cookies will generally be used to store a unique
identifier to manage and identify the user as unique to other
users currently viewing the website, in order to provide a
consistent and accurate service to the user
So you don't need to worry about that.
So in effect, strictly necessary cookies like session ID's for guests do not need consent.
Maybe someone can correct me on that.
All the other cookies, such as performance and blah you could put in the registration agreement
So cookies that remember a change on your website like a theme option or what ever.
Another head ache is we use analytic's and have images from photo bucket that some one posted on the home page.
All these are storing cookies on users computers!
Paypal some how have a cookie stored, youtube because there is a youtube video in the shoutbox... Facebook like.
Google plus one.
I imagine all these need users permission.
Man this is giving me a head ache. I mean seriously.
I can see the reason why they are implying these laws, but some of them are stupid.
Like changing a theme layout and storing a cookie you need users permission for a cookie that probably only has the option a, b or c.
Annoying!
What can I do about these 3rd paty cookies that are simply being placed on the website simply because of a donate button, or an image from photobucket, a video from youtube being posted.
Like every person who owns a site in the UK has the time to do all this and research it :(
I really don't understand what to do about all the youtube cookies, paypal or any content that can be on the home page and what not.. Do I have to disable use for guests?
These laws should be put in place for websites that display adverts or sell a product or something..
Not to the standard website owner.. Its just too much effort for us to comply with this.. I mean seriously a lot of effort.
I have spent hours already on this subject alone and not even started to implement it.......... HEAD ACHE...
I really don't wanna waste a hell of alot more time actually implementing this and the thought is like I really don't wanna do it.
But I have to... You know that feeling right.?
1st I dunno how I am going to do it lol.
Rant over SCREW DEM!