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Yeah, 5.3 seems like a perfect choice.
Closures can be used in ways regular anonymous functions can't but it requires a full oop approach for that to happen. The whole new array syntax was just a late response at all the bickering from guys who keep pushing for PHP to become more like python or ruby or any other cool new programming language not based on C principles. It really is just a cosmetic thing that shouldn't have to receive soo much publicity. I would rather see more useful stuff.
5.4 also has object binding in closures which can be really useful when you work with properties who also are closures themselves (since PHP can't distinguish between a closure property and a plain method) or just when you want to inject some external behavior to some class without messing with it or if you for some reason don't like to use the use() keyword :P
Closures can be used in ways regular anonymous functions can't but it requires a full oop approach for that to happen. The whole new array syntax was just a late response at all the bickering from guys who keep pushing for PHP to become more like python or ruby or any other cool new programming language not based on C principles. It really is just a cosmetic thing that shouldn't have to receive soo much publicity. I would rather see more useful stuff.
5.4 also has object binding in closures which can be really useful when you work with properties who also are closures themselves (since PHP can't distinguish between a closure property and a plain method) or just when you want to inject some external behavior to some class without messing with it or if you for some reason don't like to use the use() keyword :P
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Other software / Re: Fuck the SMF project. Fuck it up its stupid ass.
Suki « on February 23rd, 2013, 12:43 AM »
I'll find it incredible ridiculous to think any of you guys want to see SMF die. Anyone can just take a look here or at the other fork board to realize thats simply not the case. SMF now lives in wedge and elkarte, as simple as that and is because of them that SMF is still alive.
What they fail to see is that SMF is an open source project now, this means the load doesn't have to be carried out by the team members alone...
Been open source means you are not alone anymore!
You are not isolated.
There is a whole world out there that can potentially help out... question is, why do the SMF team tries so hard to refuse any external help?
And yes, they do not have any idea on whats gonna happen after 2.1 (and if they do, they are doing a truly remarkable job in keeping it hidden, which again, contradicts with the whole open source paradigm), why do they don't have any idea? because they pushed out the ones who had any ideas, now those ideas are been deployed outside SMF because outside SMF is the only place where you can act.
Been an open source now ain't magically fix years and years of self closed mentality.
Theres a lot of stuff that needs to be done... for instance, take away the mentality where a team member is a separate entity, almost a deity that doesn't need to interact with the rest of the community, that is just wrong.... team members were community once and still are community, there is no difference.
a lot of team members desperately need to create another account over there and see whats the forum looks like as a regular member, seriously, they have been team members for a really long time that they had forgotten about how they started.
Where are the programs that will keep the community closer to the community?
Community customizer is dead
Support Helper of the Month is dead too.
Where are the efforts to try t get close to the community?
Where are the topics about how to get involved with git and development?
Is just as simple as saying, hey there, this is a list of things we had planned:
Thats all, thats all it needs to get people at least interested on SMF again.
I simple announcement saying SMF is now open source, some google adwords campaigns, dunno, there is a lot of things marketing can be done right now, most of them are free.
People very often goes to SMF looking for advice on how the get their community active, well, now is the perfect time for team members to apply all those advices they provided into SMF's own support site. Because people concerned about SMF ain't killing SMF, is the very own team the one that is killing it, by not caring about it, by thinking they are superior to anyone else and by taking for granted that the community will always be there for them...
What they fail to see is that SMF is an open source project now, this means the load doesn't have to be carried out by the team members alone...
Been open source means you are not alone anymore!
You are not isolated.
There is a whole world out there that can potentially help out... question is, why do the SMF team tries so hard to refuse any external help?
And yes, they do not have any idea on whats gonna happen after 2.1 (and if they do, they are doing a truly remarkable job in keeping it hidden, which again, contradicts with the whole open source paradigm), why do they don't have any idea? because they pushed out the ones who had any ideas, now those ideas are been deployed outside SMF because outside SMF is the only place where you can act.
Been an open source now ain't magically fix years and years of self closed mentality.
Theres a lot of stuff that needs to be done... for instance, take away the mentality where a team member is a separate entity, almost a deity that doesn't need to interact with the rest of the community, that is just wrong.... team members were community once and still are community, there is no difference.
a lot of team members desperately need to create another account over there and see whats the forum looks like as a regular member, seriously, they have been team members for a really long time that they had forgotten about how they started.
Where are the programs that will keep the community closer to the community?
Community customizer is dead
Support Helper of the Month is dead too.
Where are the efforts to try t get close to the community?
Where are the topics about how to get involved with git and development?
Is just as simple as saying, hey there, this is a list of things we had planned:
Thats all, thats all it needs to get people at least interested on SMF again.
I simple announcement saying SMF is now open source, some google adwords campaigns, dunno, there is a lot of things marketing can be done right now, most of them are free.
People very often goes to SMF looking for advice on how the get their community active, well, now is the perfect time for team members to apply all those advices they provided into SMF's own support site. Because people concerned about SMF ain't killing SMF, is the very own team the one that is killing it, by not caring about it, by thinking they are superior to anyone else and by taking for granted that the community will always be there for them...
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Other software / Re: Fuck the SMF project. Fuck it up its stupid ass.
Suki « on February 23rd, 2013, 12:43 AM »
I'll find it incredible ridiculous to think any of you guys want to see SMF die. Anyone can just take a look here or at the other fork board to realize thats simply not the case. SMF now lives in wedge and elkarte, as simple as that and is because of them that SMF is still alive.
What they fail to see is that SMF is an open source project now, this means the load doesn't have to be carried out by the team members alone...
Been open source means you are not alone anymore!
You are not isolated.
There is a whole world out there that can potentially help out... question is, why do the SMF team tries so hard to refuse any external help?
And yes, they do not have any idea on whats gonna happen after 2.1 (and if they do, they are doing a truly remarkable job in keeping it hidden, which again, contradicts with the whole open source paradigm), why do they don't have any idea? because they pushed out the ones who had any ideas, now those ideas are been deployed outside SMF because outside SMF is the only place where you can act.
Been an open source now ain't magically fix years and years of self closed mentality.
Theres a lot of stuff that needs to be done... for instance, take away the mentality where a team member is a separate entity, almost a deity that doesn't need to interact with the rest of the community, that is just wrong.... team members were community once and still are community, there is no difference.
a lot of team members desperately need to create another account over there and see whats the forum looks like as a regular member, seriously, they have been team members for a really long time that they had forgotten about how they started.
Where are the programs that will keep the community closer to the community?
Community customizer is dead
Support Helper of the Month is dead too.
Where are the efforts to try t get close to the community?
Where are the topics about how to get involved with git and development?
Is just as simple as saying, hey there, this is a list of things we had planned:
Thats all, thats all it needs to get people at least interested on SMF again.
I simple announcement saying SMF is now open source, some google adwords campaigns, dunno, there is a lot of things marketing can be done right now, most of them are free.
People very often goes to SMF looking for advice on how the get their community active, well, now is the perfect time for team members to apply all those advices they provided into SMF's own support site. Because people concerned about SMF ain't killing SMF, is the very own team the one that is killing it, by not caring about it, by thinking they are superior to anyone else and by taking for granted that the community will always be there for them...
What they fail to see is that SMF is an open source project now, this means the load doesn't have to be carried out by the team members alone...
Been open source means you are not alone anymore!
You are not isolated.
There is a whole world out there that can potentially help out... question is, why do the SMF team tries so hard to refuse any external help?
And yes, they do not have any idea on whats gonna happen after 2.1 (and if they do, they are doing a truly remarkable job in keeping it hidden, which again, contradicts with the whole open source paradigm), why do they don't have any idea? because they pushed out the ones who had any ideas, now those ideas are been deployed outside SMF because outside SMF is the only place where you can act.
Been an open source now ain't magically fix years and years of self closed mentality.
Theres a lot of stuff that needs to be done... for instance, take away the mentality where a team member is a separate entity, almost a deity that doesn't need to interact with the rest of the community, that is just wrong.... team members were community once and still are community, there is no difference.
a lot of team members desperately need to create another account over there and see whats the forum looks like as a regular member, seriously, they have been team members for a really long time that they had forgotten about how they started.
Where are the programs that will keep the community closer to the community?
Community customizer is dead
Support Helper of the Month is dead too.
Where are the efforts to try t get close to the community?
Where are the topics about how to get involved with git and development?
Is just as simple as saying, hey there, this is a list of things we had planned:
Thats all, thats all it needs to get people at least interested on SMF again.
I simple announcement saying SMF is now open source, some google adwords campaigns, dunno, there is a lot of things marketing can be done right now, most of them are free.
People very often goes to SMF looking for advice on how the get their community active, well, now is the perfect time for team members to apply all those advices they provided into SMF's own support site. Because people concerned about SMF ain't killing SMF, is the very own team the one that is killing it, by not caring about it, by thinking they are superior to anyone else and by taking for granted that the community will always be there for them...
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Other software / Re: Fuck the SMF project. Fuck it up its stupid ass.
Suki « on February 23rd, 2013, 12:43 AM »
I'll find it incredible ridiculous to think any of you guys want to see SMF die. Anyone can just take a look here or at the other fork board to realize thats simply not the case. SMF now lives in wedge and elkarte, as simple as that and is because of them that SMF is still alive.
What they fail to see is that SMF is an open source project now, this means the load doesn't have to be carried out by the team members alone...
Been open source means you are not alone anymore!
You are not isolated.
There is a whole world out there that can potentially help out... question is, why do the SMF team tries so hard to refuse any external help?
And yes, they do not have any idea on whats gonna happen after 2.1 (and if they do, they are doing a truly remarkable job in keeping it hidden, which again, contradicts with the whole open source paradigm), why do they don't have any idea? because they pushed out the ones who had any ideas, now those ideas are been deployed outside SMF because outside SMF is the only place where you can act.
Been an open source now ain't magically fix years and years of self closed mentality.
Theres a lot of stuff that needs to be done... for instance, take away the mentality where a team member is a separate entity, almost a deity that doesn't need to interact with the rest of the community, that is just wrong.... team members were community once and still are community, there is no difference.
a lot of team members desperately need to create another account over there and see whats the forum looks like as a regular member, seriously, they have been team members for a really long time that they had forgotten about how they started.
Where are the programs that will keep the community closer to the community?
Community customizer is dead
Support Helper of the Month is dead too.
Where are the efforts to try t get close to the community?
Where are the topics about how to get involved with git and development?
Is just as simple as saying, hey there, this is a list of things we had planned:
Thats all, thats all it needs to get people at least interested on SMF again.
I simple announcement saying SMF is now open source, some google adwords campaigns, dunno, there is a lot of things marketing can be done right now, most of them are free.
People very often goes to SMF looking for advice on how the get their community active, well, now is the perfect time for team members to apply all those advices they provided into SMF's own support site. Because people concerned about SMF ain't killing SMF, is the very own team the one that is killing it, by not caring about it, by thinking they are superior to anyone else and by taking for granted that the community will always be there for them...
What they fail to see is that SMF is an open source project now, this means the load doesn't have to be carried out by the team members alone...
Been open source means you are not alone anymore!
You are not isolated.
There is a whole world out there that can potentially help out... question is, why do the SMF team tries so hard to refuse any external help?
And yes, they do not have any idea on whats gonna happen after 2.1 (and if they do, they are doing a truly remarkable job in keeping it hidden, which again, contradicts with the whole open source paradigm), why do they don't have any idea? because they pushed out the ones who had any ideas, now those ideas are been deployed outside SMF because outside SMF is the only place where you can act.
Been an open source now ain't magically fix years and years of self closed mentality.
Theres a lot of stuff that needs to be done... for instance, take away the mentality where a team member is a separate entity, almost a deity that doesn't need to interact with the rest of the community, that is just wrong.... team members were community once and still are community, there is no difference.
a lot of team members desperately need to create another account over there and see whats the forum looks like as a regular member, seriously, they have been team members for a really long time that they had forgotten about how they started.
Where are the programs that will keep the community closer to the community?
Community customizer is dead
Support Helper of the Month is dead too.
Where are the efforts to try t get close to the community?
Where are the topics about how to get involved with git and development?
Is just as simple as saying, hey there, this is a list of things we had planned:
Thats all, thats all it needs to get people at least interested on SMF again.
I simple announcement saying SMF is now open source, some google adwords campaigns, dunno, there is a lot of things marketing can be done right now, most of them are free.
People very often goes to SMF looking for advice on how the get their community active, well, now is the perfect time for team members to apply all those advices they provided into SMF's own support site. Because people concerned about SMF ain't killing SMF, is the very own team the one that is killing it, by not caring about it, by thinking they are superior to anyone else and by taking for granted that the community will always be there for them...
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
Suki « on January 17th, 2013, 09:32 PM »Suki left because she didn't like what SMF was planning. She felt that all development on any 2.x should stop and all efforts be put into OOP... Others did not agree.
..and I'm the one with language problems (when applicable of course ;) ) :whistle:
This time I will say Wrong and encourage you, Kindred, to look at my posts over there and quote here all the posts where I said exactly this line:
I'm OK with 2.1, I'm not OK with expanding it further.
The fact that I was against 2.2, 2.3 and so on, is not the whole reason why I left (nor OOP is the only thing I have on my head), I could have been working on 2.2 quite happily if that were the chosen path, but no, you guys where too busy saying No to every idea but your own... which was of course, keep working on 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, release 2.3 with only a few features and give the false impression that SMF is moving forward when in fact all 2.x is going to achieve is lost all the fanbase it got, after all, to think people is stupid enough to not realize that there is no real improvements in SMF besides minor features is seriously underestimating your fanbase, but alas, this path of keep expanding SMF 2.x branch was made by people who aren't devs, purely from a marketing perspective and with the word "survive" on their minds, If I were Unknown, I will be crying just by seen how my once proud and revolutionary project is now an empty shell of what it used to be, struggling to survive, barely breathing and whats worst, with the people in charge assuming everything is just fine and covering everything when it is pretty rotted on the inside.
It is amusing you keep saying how wrong am I with the whole SM - SMF thing when Arantor said the exactly same things I said months ago, the very same arguments for what I was told I was so wrong... suddenly now that Arantor had said those things, they become valid and deserves been listening to, awesome! at least now the ideas will finally get discussed.
For the record, I stated months ago that the DCO should cover all the needs the SM needs to cover.
There is no need for contributors to gain copyright of the whole script, which is what the SM org is so afraid of...
That the SM needs to simplify things for external contributors, no one will ever get near SMF if the SM requires you to give your personal info and other unneeded details.
The SM org needs to get focus on the actual project instead of trying so hard to cover their asses... if all that time and energy were put to promote the fact that SMF is now an open source project... :whistle:
Fear is what drives the SM org, fear and fear only.
Fear of losing their beloved possessions...
Fear to go out of the shell, the ever comforting shell where they created their little universe and rule overall. While the rest of the world moves forward, the shell is just there, slowly consuming its own resources, too proud to ask for help, too narrow to see the little help that someone can possible offer.
Suki left because there seems to have been some kind of shutting out going on. When you get to the stage where people stop listening to what you have to say because it's you saying it, you're being shut out - and that is one form of not having your say in how things are run, especially with what you make.
Sometimes I wish I never posted on the Spanish boards, that way people won't have that preconceived mindset, not only do I have to struggle to get my ideas reach anyone but I also have to deal with all the walls they put in front of me.
I can't speak for the others. For what I'm concerned I didn't even thought of inform anyone...
I constantly read about chats between you and Spuds regarding 2.1, I used to enter IRC and having my msn always open as much as possible, yes I talked to you fairly often but it was never in a "working environment", it was always as plain casual chatting. The same with Norv and IchBin.
I never ever talked to Spuds, I had his msn address but he was never on it (this also goes for other team members as well), dunno if he use another IM system.
Anyway, 2.1 development passed just in front of me like a train with no way to get up, I mean, yes I could have sent lots of pull requests I made completely blinded, dunno if that would helped that much, after all, you guys seemed to work just fine together.
but you decided to start coding a forum from scratch
Working on a new software is just my way and solution to deal with all of this, nothing more, I'm not gonna start a raging campaign against SMF claiming I'm the one and only SMF messiah, unique holder of the true, nor do I want to be target of attacks by people just because I left SMF, which is why I registered here mainly, to at least be able to tell my version.
If I think I have a feasible idea, an idea that was developed taking all things into account (and not only the marketing side or the "surviving" side), and idea that is flexible enough to fit all the SMF needs, and idea that will serve not only for the current time being but for cementing a base too, I have all the right to pursue that idea, even if it leads to nowhere (because the idea was conceived for a team and not a single person), at least I tried and I have no regrets.
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Other software / Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
Suki « on January 17th, 2013, 09:32 PM »Suki left because she didn't like what SMF was planning. She felt that all development on any 2.x should stop and all efforts be put into OOP... Others did not agree.
..and I'm the one with language problems (when applicable of course ;) ) :whistle:
This time I will say Wrong and encourage you, Kindred, to look at my posts over there and quote here all the posts where I said exactly this line:
I'm OK with 2.1, I'm not OK with expanding it further.
The fact that I was against 2.2, 2.3 and so on, is not the whole reason why I left (nor OOP is the only thing I have on my head), I could have been working on 2.2 quite happily if that were the chosen path, but no, you guys where too busy saying No to every idea but your own... which was of course, keep working on 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, release 2.3 with only a few features and give the false impression that SMF is moving forward when in fact all 2.x is going to achieve is lost all the fanbase it got, after all, to think people is stupid enough to not realize that there is no real improvements in SMF besides minor features is seriously underestimating your fanbase, but alas, this path of keep expanding SMF 2.x branch was made by people who aren't devs, purely from a marketing perspective and with the word "survive" on their minds, If I were Unknown, I will be crying just by seen how my once proud and revolutionary project is now an empty shell of what it used to be, struggling to survive, barely breathing and whats worst, with the people in charge assuming everything is just fine and covering everything when it is pretty rotted on the inside.
It is amusing you keep saying how wrong am I with the whole SM - SMF thing when Arantor said the exactly same things I said months ago, the very same arguments for what I was told I was so wrong... suddenly now that Arantor had said those things, they become valid and deserves been listening to, awesome! at least now the ideas will finally get discussed.
For the record, I stated months ago that the DCO should cover all the needs the SM needs to cover.
There is no need for contributors to gain copyright of the whole script, which is what the SM org is so afraid of...
That the SM needs to simplify things for external contributors, no one will ever get near SMF if the SM requires you to give your personal info and other unneeded details.
The SM org needs to get focus on the actual project instead of trying so hard to cover their asses... if all that time and energy were put to promote the fact that SMF is now an open source project... :whistle:
Fear is what drives the SM org, fear and fear only.
Fear of losing their beloved possessions...
Fear to go out of the shell, the ever comforting shell where they created their little universe and rule overall. While the rest of the world moves forward, the shell is just there, slowly consuming its own resources, too proud to ask for help, too narrow to see the little help that someone can possible offer.
Suki left because there seems to have been some kind of shutting out going on. When you get to the stage where people stop listening to what you have to say because it's you saying it, you're being shut out - and that is one form of not having your say in how things are run, especially with what you make.
Sometimes I wish I never posted on the Spanish boards, that way people won't have that preconceived mindset, not only do I have to struggle to get my ideas reach anyone but I also have to deal with all the walls they put in front of me.
I can't speak for the others. For what I'm concerned I didn't even thought of inform anyone...
I constantly read about chats between you and Spuds regarding 2.1, I used to enter IRC and having my msn always open as much as possible, yes I talked to you fairly often but it was never in a "working environment", it was always as plain casual chatting. The same with Norv and IchBin.
I never ever talked to Spuds, I had his msn address but he was never on it (this also goes for other team members as well), dunno if he use another IM system.
Anyway, 2.1 development passed just in front of me like a train with no way to get up, I mean, yes I could have sent lots of pull requests I made completely blinded, dunno if that would helped that much, after all, you guys seemed to work just fine together.
but you decided to start coding a forum from scratch
Working on a new software is just my way and solution to deal with all of this, nothing more, I'm not gonna start a raging campaign against SMF claiming I'm the one and only SMF messiah, unique holder of the true, nor do I want to be target of attacks by people just because I left SMF, which is why I registered here mainly, to at least be able to tell my version.
If I think I have a feasible idea, an idea that was developed taking all things into account (and not only the marketing side or the "surviving" side), and idea that is flexible enough to fit all the SMF needs, and idea that will serve not only for the current time being but for cementing a base too, I have all the right to pursue that idea, even if it leads to nowhere (because the idea was conceived for a team and not a single person), at least I tried and I have no regrets.