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The Pub / Re: Bloc Madness
« on April 19th, 2012, 03:05 PM »
Arantor, you are just annoyed that I didn't take your advice, and your reasoning isn't something I agreed on, especially around the mods/themes dilemma. You are very good at doing long and elaborate arguments about *anything* in a fashion that makes it seem you have all the answers - which of course you don't. I am no amtch for you there, thoigh I did try lol. But trying yet again the amateur psychology approach just shows how quick you are to conclusions.I blame it on the age. ;D
Nao, you are a rebel, with the bads and sometimes good that entails, your history around SMF has shown that as much. Well, knowing that I can't really be annoyed at whatever you sling my way, its most times in a sarcastic coat anyway.
I guess its futile to reason anymore with you now, so I'll put it to rest now(not that anyone else really cares lol, the lack of response from others in this (split) topic probably is a sign of that) So, over - and out.
(I can't close this topic, but I could that would be my next action: *closing topic* )
Nao, you are a rebel, with the bads and sometimes good that entails, your history around SMF has shown that as much. Well, knowing that I can't really be annoyed at whatever you sling my way, its most times in a sarcastic coat anyway.
I guess its futile to reason anymore with you now, so I'll put it to rest now(not that anyone else really cares lol, the lack of response from others in this (split) topic probably is a sign of that) So, over - and out.
(I can't close this topic, but I could that would be my next action: *closing topic* )
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The Pub / Re: Re : Bloc Madness
« on April 8th, 2012, 01:31 PM »If you're going to argue with me, get your facts straight. I have not joined the forum of any other fork, I was already a member of BlocWeb before that. I'd argue the other points regarding offering advice but I already explained that and it still falls into the fact that you're still too far up your own arse to see what I was getting at. A lot of my criticism of SMF is actually at the fact that too many people consider it "good enough" without stopping to see if it can be improved at all.
As for you distributing ViennaBBS, why is it my business? Well, apart from that fact you do still have good ideas, and competition causes everyone to stay on their toes, I have to consider the strong likelihood that people will use it, you'll abandon it and it'll be SMF, Wedge and others that will have to clear up your mess.
"Clearing up my mess"..lol, that was fun argument though. In what way, exactly? Do you make themes all of the sudden..? You do know I've sticked with SMF themes and TinyPortal since 2003, right? I don't have to explain myself really..but I'll do it anyway: when i closed off my site the first time, it was out of lack of interest from users + the amount of work I put in the paying themes felt a bit wasted. The few that subscribed were welcome of course - but it was a dwindling entity. I really wanted to just make the premium themes all free at that point. The final time I closed AND this time removed the themes even, there were only a handful of people even visiting BW. After some personal issues(again, that thing that you don't care to look behind the scenes, you just "conclude" comes to mind) I decided to stop right there and then.Brutal, yes.
I am not making any excuses for it. Teeanger stuff, heh, you can talk lol. At 45 I've learned that in THIS world its the important things that is worth sticking too. Sadly SMF themes isn't that for me any longer. it was at one time, but things like family, health, steady job and happiness(yes, its cheesy, but its also true) takes precedence.
It has been said that I've been "brutal" to Bloc, even though I only wrote 3 lines in total on the last page. I figured I might as well post this longer message if, whatever I say, I'm seen as 'brutal'...
As for myself, I only ever joined another fork's forum -- EosAlpha -- and only posted to praise it. Of course, the fact that I have a link to Wedge in my signature can be seen as a shameful attempt to bring in more users, but that'd be preposterous -- Nightwish doesn't do anything to get people to have a look at his fork, and instead we at Wedge have been doing most of his marketing, offering it as a 'realistic' alternative to Wedge.
Mind you, we'd have done the same for ViennaBBS if we'd had any reason to believe it was going to be a reality. But the only thing that you released for ViennaBBS, is your logo (and even then, it's only on your blog, not on your official website...)
Yes, it took me 62 pages to find the perfect logo (reply #921) -- but unlike you, I have absolutely zero design skills, and I'm working hard to find it in me to do something inspiring. The fact that I made all of the skins available at wedge.org, all of the logos, all of the design concepts, is proof enough that I'm willing to work hard to overcome my weaknesses. It'd be much easier for me to just focus on things I can easily do (JavaScript and PHP) and just let Wedge look like another clone of SMF.
So that's what I did. In the meantime, all we got from you on the subject of ViennaBBS is wind. How many times did you declare on your blog that you never really planned to make a fork? That ViennaBBS was just a 'toy' for you to play with? Just like your themes. You remove them at will, regardless of what your paying users might have to say. (I may have stopped work on Aeva Media nearly two years ago -- but I issued security updates and left it online for everyone to enjoy. Because it's THAT easy to do, and THAT important if you have any respect for your users who, let's just say it clearly, also make you what you are.)
So, yes, apologies are in order. Keep working on ViennaBBS. Pete only wanted you to realize you were wasting your time (and your users') because no one will ever use some forum software that looks good and can disappear overnight because the developer decided he wasn't in the mood. But who are we to say. Enjoy your waste of time. In a few years' time, users will be running SMF, Eos and Wedge. And they'll have no idea what Vienna looks like, because they 'never went there'. I'm talking about the city, of course, because they'll never have heard of ViennaBBS *at all*.
But seriously, thats was how I created TP on my own, more or less, doing the mistakes, learning things bit by bit..the TP team helped a lot too but I think they saw that angle and gave me the freedom. Thats also how I worked when I was at the SMF team, being the only one working on the graphic design for Curve(and Core btw) before collaborating on the bigger amount of code work for it.I had a lot of respect for several devs at that time, because they allowed me that room. And finally, thats how I work with themes too, trying new things no others did, sometimes its just right, but not always, you learn from it.Stop doing something just because a person or two says its "rubbish" isn't enough. Rebellious? Stubborn? surely. My nagging about more innovation,about using peoples skills rather than using who screams the loudest, those things come from that point of view.
So pardon me for jumping to a conclusion in a former post of mine: THIS is me, the "hit and miss" part was a bit inaccurate.And thats the only apology you will get I am afraid.
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The Pub / Re : Bloc Madness
« on April 7th, 2012, 03:17 PM »
I guess irony is a new concept? But amateur psychoanalysis is apparently not unfamiliar, as the altest retorts from you have shown. I may seem an ass when I do things people don't like - but at least i am honest about it. Besides..why is the fact if I offer ViennaBBS or not, or even work on it important to you anyway? Could it be that's what you been doing all along? Going into every OTHER fork project , offering "advice" while praising how good Wedge is? Not to mention all the remarks on this site about how utterly bad SMF is. The arrogance is amazing..
Staying away I can do, but its just too much fun working you up (that was irony again btw.) ..nah, its getting a bit sour to even do that, you got no humour left it seems. Using 67 pages on a logo might do that to you lol. :)
Bloc is all out(for this time) So long. ;)
Staying away I can do, but its just too much fun working you up (that was irony again btw.) ..nah, its getting a bit sour to even do that, you got no humour left it seems. Using 67 pages on a logo might do that to you lol. :)
Bloc is all out(for this time) So long. ;)
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The Pub / Re : Bloc Madness
« on April 6th, 2012, 04:00 PM »
Oh yes, I am unreliable as hell, so don't anyone ever expect something from me again lol. And you know what - I am quite happy with things as they are now, I don't need the attention to know I am happy with what I create. Teenager? Thanks! :) Given that I been said to be a bit "oldie" going 45 that was refreshing. Maybe there's hope for me still. ;D
But I am sorry, I am not "f''effing off, I tried that before, remember? Removing my account here never worked, since you never approved it. May I have the pleasure this time perhaps then? ;)
But I am sorry, I am not "f''effing off, I tried that before, remember? Removing my account here never worked, since you never approved it. May I have the pleasure this time perhaps then? ;)
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The Pub / Re : Bloc Madness
« on April 2nd, 2012, 06:27 PM »
Weathercock? Is that what i think it is..going after what everyone else is doing? Err, wrong. I see someone at SMF site also comments that, that I turn like the wind..or something like that. You got it all wrong of course, again. I have never been in this game to suit other people, although working with themes and TP over 5-6 years made me do that anyway...sadly. I return to things because I want to try other angles, because I rather scrap something that isn't exactly how I want it, than spend a long time fixing something that was going wrong from the beginning. TP came to that point a good while back.
Themes for SMF, especially paid ones, have been more of a chore for a long time than fun, always seeking that revenue aspect...so one day(after several months of contemplating it of course, for those that could read, rather apparant from my several forum/blog posts about the future of Bocweb, about SMF themes, about SMF in general) I decided: enough is enough.
Do I owe someone to tell them I no longer want to work with themes? And for the paid stuff etc...is that your business anyway? No, it isn't. Again I don't care what you think of it, so theres no reason to use that argument anymore. ;)
I am only doing what I do for my own interest, finally. Its as simple as that. Then I don't care what others think of me closing sites if what I work with isn't satisfying for myself. I am not "calling you out" or make you "clean your house", Arantor, I could care less..but you tipped a point back then where you constantly used Wedge as the example for whatever we discussed. I WANT to make my own mistakes..! I don't need someone to pinpoint them - if I do I'll simply ask.
ViennaBBS yes. It was never abandoned, never left alone(for too long) either and def. not something I need to listen to other people what it should be lol. Its my own playground, and time will tell if its use of others too, but that isn't a pri.
I used a lot of time on the logo, Nao, not doing the Google way of asking people, than adjusting, ask again and adjust again lol..but several suggestions went in. I left it alone for some time, came back and saw something better. If you like to use 50+ pages on a logo, thats your call(and fun it seems)...maybe it was what was needed for Wedge. Me, I like to use only my screen and my imagination. Sometimes its bullseye, other times its never going to be good. I guess that approach sums me up too.
Themes for SMF, especially paid ones, have been more of a chore for a long time than fun, always seeking that revenue aspect...so one day(after several months of contemplating it of course, for those that could read, rather apparant from my several forum/blog posts about the future of Bocweb, about SMF themes, about SMF in general) I decided: enough is enough.
Do I owe someone to tell them I no longer want to work with themes? And for the paid stuff etc...is that your business anyway? No, it isn't. Again I don't care what you think of it, so theres no reason to use that argument anymore. ;)
I am only doing what I do for my own interest, finally. Its as simple as that. Then I don't care what others think of me closing sites if what I work with isn't satisfying for myself. I am not "calling you out" or make you "clean your house", Arantor, I could care less..but you tipped a point back then where you constantly used Wedge as the example for whatever we discussed. I WANT to make my own mistakes..! I don't need someone to pinpoint them - if I do I'll simply ask.
ViennaBBS yes. It was never abandoned, never left alone(for too long) either and def. not something I need to listen to other people what it should be lol. Its my own playground, and time will tell if its use of others too, but that isn't a pri.
I used a lot of time on the logo, Nao, not doing the Google way of asking people, than adjusting, ask again and adjust again lol..but several suggestions went in. I left it alone for some time, came back and saw something better. If you like to use 50+ pages on a logo, thats your call(and fun it seems)...maybe it was what was needed for Wedge. Me, I like to use only my screen and my imagination. Sometimes its bullseye, other times its never going to be good. I guess that approach sums me up too.
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The Pub / Re : Bloc Madness
« on April 1st, 2012, 02:14 PM »@bloc> we're not like that. Period. Your decisions are often taken based on your immediate emotional response.
I've done some turn-around decisons past/this year, but nothing I don't regret. It was things I needed to do, to move on. How people see them I don't really care about.
I start off assuming people don't have a clue until they prove otherwise, simply because that's a simpler and easier way to view the world, and sadly I keep finding it's all too accurate, given how many people don't even read what's in front of them.Quote No doubt, you are what you are. But theres a difference between you two acknowledging each other as equals, and seeing everyone else as not having a clue.
I haven't actually addressed the things that seem to happened on Blocweb regarding you. You do seem to think I was a kind of push for your feelings getting worse..or something to that letter. May that be as it may - I don't know you and how you function in your daily life(nor do any of you about me lol) but the reason I was abrupt with you is that you have this habit of telling people how wrong they are, how your solution is better and how utter bs it is to deny that. Sometimes you are right of course, and sometimes you are just wrong.The important thing is whether people wanted to hear that or not. Arrogance comes to mind, but maybe thats inaccurate.
Now, reading through this small post I realize you will prob. wondering "why does he write again now". And tbh , I don't know lol. Maybe because its april, maybe its because its a snow blizzrd outside. In any case, off my chest and all that.
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The Pub / Re : Bloc Madness
« on March 29th, 2012, 12:55 PM »Okay... Are you implying you're leaving for now, or leaving forever? I'm quite weary after all of the Bloc stories. (And you know how ridiculous it became after a while.)
*WHAT is it* with saying things like that every time someone challenges your thoughts?
Seriously. Get over it, guys. Pete is harsh, and I'm harsh. If we'd been "outta here" every time Pete or I refuted each other's arguments, I think that Wedge would have been abandoned 20 times over!
If I can't tell people what I think, then should I stop speaking at all??
This isn't what a "forum" is for. A forum is for talking. If you can't talk for fear of driving people into leaving, then you don't use the forum any longer.
* Bloc retreats into lurker mode again