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(Sorry about the topic title, I found it irresistible to use it :lol: I'm also not posting this in private boards because I'm not sure who's in our Friends group or not. If you want it to be private, please ask for a Friend badge if you don't already have one, and request for the move to be done.)
So... First time I'm looking at Elkarte's github... There's a lot of activity so I'm not going to do that often... But I find it amusing (also a bit upsetting I'll admit) that in the first page of commits, I found this:
https://github.com/elkarte/Elkarte/commit/babfac398abdb9b49ffb3e1d3d1631585e917ede
This looks a LOT like a fix I made to Wedge in rev 1847, just four days ago...
Index: ManageErrors.php
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--- ManageErrors.php (revision 1846)
+++ ManageErrors.php (revision 1847)
@@ -659,14 +659,11 @@
// Decode the file and get the line
$file = realpath(base64_decode($_REQUEST['file']));
- $real_board = realpath($boarddir);
- $real_source = realpath($sourcedir);
+ $line = isset($_REQUEST['line']) ? (int) $_REQUEST['line'] : 0;
$basename = strtolower(basename($file));
- $ext = strrchr($basename, '.');
- $line = isset($_REQUEST['line']) ? (int) $_REQUEST['line'] : 0;
// Make sure the file we are looking for is one they are allowed to look at
- if ($ext != '.php' || (strpos($file, $real_board) === false || strpos($file, $real_source) === false) || ($basename == 'settings.php' || $basename == 'settings_bak.php') || strpos($file, $cachedir) !== false || !is_readable($file))
+ if (strrchr($basename, '.') != '.php' || $basename == 'settings.php' || $basename == 'settings_bak.php' || (strpos($file, realpath($boarddir)) === false && strpos($file, realpath($sourcedir)) === false) || strpos($file, realpath($cachedir)) !== false || !is_readable($file))
fatal_lang_error('error_bad_file', true, array(htmlspecialchars($file)));
// Get the min and max lines
As you'll notice, the main change in here is that I fixed the || into &&, just like in the Elkarte commit.
This sounds too coincidental to be true to me. Shouldn't I be the one who gets the thanks, not emanuele?
So...
ema, I have no problems with giving you our alpha versions or whatever, I have absolutely no qualms with you or Elkarte and wish you all the best. I'd just rather be told if you already somehow have access to our SVN without telling. It would make things more comfortable for everyone I think. It's not that I don't think it can be a coincidence -- it's that now this has happened, just a few days after my own fix, this is how I'll remember it, and the harm is already done in my mind, whatever the truth might be. And I don't like this. I don't like being in a situation where I feel uncomfortable about sharing things with other like-minded developers.
If anyone at Elkarte wants to reuse an idea or code block that we wrote, please ask us. We're not ogres. We don't cling to every bit of code that we write like it's our virgin child that we won't give away. Our license is for a general code of conduct and how we want to deal with things generally, but we're flexible on the whole.
Just please don't do this kind of thing behind our back.
Posted: January 19th, 2013, 01:58 PM
Oh, the joys of doing several things at the same time...
I just noticed that the Elkarte commit was made on the exact same day. I haven't checked the times but I suspect it means that I mentioned the exact bug somewhere in this forum, which would explain everything, i.e. that it's neither a coincidence nor a problem.
But did I...? I don't remember. Can someone find my post?
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I gave emanuele the fix I originally did for Wedge since I still care about SMF... Any changes other than that (e.g. As public discussion) are fair game, no? You did discuss the fix where you pointed out issues in it and IIRC that was public.
They don't have SVN access either.
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I don't know, I simply couldn't find my post... Maybe I didn't look hard enough. I'm so tired. (IRL stuff...)
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http://wedge.org/pub/bugs/7672/error-in-error-log/msg284692/#msg284692
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Oh bugger, it was posted on January 13... I stopped looking at my backlog on January 15 since I thought everything happened that day... Lazy me ;)
So, all right then, it was neither a coincidence nor a problem, it was just my old brain playing tricks on me.
To tell you the truth, I even thought that the bug wasn't in SMF 2.0 in the first place... I had to double-check to make sure it was indeed.
Well, then I'll simply demand a thanks to Nao instead of emanuele in that commit log, ah ah! I know logs can be rewritten :niark:
Oh, what do I do with this topic now? :lol:
Private? Delete? Or just leave it around in case we want to discuss Elkarte at all?
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Really up to you. They seem generally happy doing their own thing - not even jumping into the Elkarte thread on sm.org that was started by the SMF team (and it got some less than enthusiastic responses)
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Lol...
Well, maybe they prefer to devote more of their time to the software itself!
The first few weeks of a fork are important. It's where you determine how much enthusiasm there is for it. Considering that activity increased a lot after they made the fork, it can be said that they felt their enthusiasm was renewed by the new environment, the new rules.
The later few weeks are more important, though -- the moment when 'things happen' and you start devoting more time to other things. Question is, can you go back to work after that? I've seen EosAlpha pretty much die after nearly a year of activity from Nightwish, mostly I'm afraid because not many people knew about his fork. I've seen Wedge go through a rough patch when you left the project aside for a few months last year and I was unsure whether to keep doing my thing on my side or take over your share of the load. (Thankfully, I only had to endure for some time :))
I have to say, I'm interested in seeing where this will go. I wouldn't use Elkarte, just like I wouldn't use SMF these days, but I'm really interested in seeing what unfolds for SMF:
- new dev team for SMF? If yes, dedicated or not? Hope or despair?
- Elkarte's point "being made", fork turned back into SMF 2.x and work ongoing with same dev team?
- SMF offering us ONE... MILLION... DOLLARS! (insert Dr. Evil laugh here) to turn Wedge into SMF 3.0?
- Or maybe... One... Hundred... BILLION DOLLARS!
- Or something else that I didn't think of?
I have to say, regardless of anyone's merits, I'm quite shamefully addicted to knowing what's going on in the SMF world. Maybe that's why I never go to their forums. I know it could turn out for the worse... ;)
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I don't know what the future holds for Elkarte, I haven't spoken to most of the people there and to be honest while I get on well enough with most of them, I'd rather stay back and not try and influence them in any particular direction, consciously or otherwise.
- new dev team for SMF? If yes, dedicated or not? Hope or despair?
- Elkarte's point "being made", fork turned back into SMF 2.x and work ongoing with same dev team?
- SMF offering us ONE... MILLION... DOLLARS! (insert Dr. Evil laugh here) to turn Wedge into SMF 3.0?
I have to say, regardless of anyone's merits, I'm quite shamefully addicted to knowing what's going on in the SMF world.
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This is probably appropriate
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/28311081.jpg)
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MEME DEMON STRIKES AGAIN!
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Yes i don't trust them to give us the freedom we have with Wedge. Which is why we would refuse it. However, if they were to give us one hundred billion dollars for it, I'm pretty sure we'd be happy to give it away. Heck I'd use my share to buy vBulletin and turn it into something nice :p
Hmmmmmmmm actually there are things that even money and good will can't buy ;)
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Heck I'd use my share to buy vBulletin and turn it into something nice
Posted: January 19th, 2013, 05:58 PM
Also, I discovered today that I've been pronouncing 'meme' wrong for years. I'd always assumed it was 'me-me' based on the fact that it always seems to be about garnering some attention, thus 'look at me, look at me' -> 'me! me!'
But it's pronounced 'meem' which means I need to find a new phrase because MEEM DEMON doesn't quite roll off the tongue the way ME-ME DEMON does. At least to me.
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Great minds again. Until last week I thought it was pronounced meme (meh meh). Then I heard someone in a video say the french word for mime. Meem as you say. I think it was in the latest big bang theory.
Posted: January 19th, 2013, 06:05 PM
I typed mémé but android insisted on changing it to meme eh eh...
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It's even been in Doctor Who (End Of The World, in season 1) with 'Meem' pronunciation and that is the correct form because it's from Greek, mimeme, derivation of 'imitation' regarding an idea.
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Great minds again. Until last week I thought it was pronounced meme (meh meh). Then I heard someone in a video say the french word for mime. Meem as you say. I think it was in the latest big bang theory.
Posted: January 19th, 2013, 06:05 PM
I typed mémé but android insisted on changing it to meme eh eh...
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/medoesn't watch TBBT -_-
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We're all more of less Sheldons in here. No need to feel bad about it ;)
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Great minds again. Until last week I thought it was pronounced meme (meh meh).
im still trying to find out if Woop is pronounced W-ooo-p or Wup.
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Woop isn't a word as far as I know. Whoop, is 'woo-p'. Whooping cough has it as 'hooping'... yay for English?
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We're all more of less Sheldons in here. No need to feel bad about it ;)
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We're all more of less Sheldons in here. No need to feel bad about it ;)
Anything where I'm not reminded that *I* am a bit of an asocial.
Thinking of it, the show I'm currently fascinated with (1976's BBC production of "I, Claudius") is pretty much the life story of the world's first documented nerd :lol:
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Nerds are cool, you know why.....women adore them! > I know I'm digressing a little but I'm also keen on Seinfeld. George an Kramer are absolutely hilarious.
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https://github.com/elkarte/Elkarte/commit/babfac398abdb9b49ffb3e1d3d1631585e917ede
This looks a LOT like a fix I made to Wedge in rev 1847, just four days ago...
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This sounds too coincidental to be true to me. Shouldn't I be the one who gets the thanks, not emanuele?
So...
ema, I have no problems with giving you our alpha versions or whatever, I have absolutely no qualms with you or Elkarte and wish you all the best. I'd just rather be told if you already somehow have access to our SVN without telling.
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Oracle, I don't know where you've heard of that... Not everything in life happens like in The Book of
Arnold Mormon... Geeks, and let's not even talk about nerds, tends to annoy girls in general. Not everyone wants to watch a romcom and be told about the entire fascinating filmography of this guy who plays the bartender in that scene. :whistle:
ema, I would heartfully agree with you, in that I tend to avoid looking at SMF/Elkarte codebases because they're confusing for someone like me who hasn't touched $smcFunc or $modSettings or $user_info in weeks, months or sometimes years. However, sharing ideas could be for the better of all projects. Maybe we should do something like that... We don't have to share implémentations, since they'll likely differ anyway. Sharing ideas sounds nice to me. Or bug fixes, like the many 'SMF bug' mentions I made in the Wedge changelog. ;)
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Not where I come from...
They've made a TV series about nerds and how wonderful they are. Ladies of all types simply drooling over the prospect they may get noticed by one of these heavily prized creatures. Never really watched the programme as it wasn't my cup of tea. Nonetheless it was aired suggesting nerds were on their way up in the world. Cant remember the name of the show. From that I made the general observation that nerds were popular. Doesn't matter merely a bit of goss.
Bartender???/ sounds like Ted Danson and show Cheers just a bunch of broken down has been's frequenting their regular watering hole. Wouldn't exactly categorize them as nerds if that's what you were suggesting.
Unfamiliar with The Book of Mormon really.
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The show is fiction. Ladies of all types do not simply drool over the prospect of being noticed by one of these heavily prized creatures. TV just makes us think it's true, the reality is just not the same.
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Concur..and surrender~!
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They've made a TV series about nerds and how wonderful they are. Ladies of all types simply drooling over the prospect they may get noticed by one of these heavily prized creatures.
Never really watched the programme as it wasn't my cup of tea. Nonetheless it was aired suggesting nerds were on their way up in the world. Cant remember the name of the show. From that I made the general observation that nerds were popular. Doesn't matter merely a bit of goss.
The simple fact is, technology is now an important part of everyone's life. But just because you use the Internet doesn't make you a geek. However, using the Internet might *reveal* your geeky tendencies. So I guess there are more and more self-proclaimed geeks like ourselves, and with market shares comes power. There you go, TV starts trying to hide their Jerry-from-Parker-Lewis characters (whatever geek you could find in a TV show), and show instead 'cool' geeks.
Effectively, one thing I like about TBBT is that its geeks are not exactly likeable. Especially not Sheldon...
OTOH, I love The IT Crowd because Maurice Moss is so likeable :lol:Bartender???/ sounds like Ted Danson and show Cheers just a bunch of broken down has been's frequenting their regular watering hole. Wouldn't exactly categorize them as nerds if that's what you were suggesting.
Unfamiliar with The Book of Mormon really.
Basically, he's the triumphant hero.
Then again, the BOM was written by a band of nerds who wouldn't admit it... (See Avenue Q for one, and South Park: You Have Zero Friend for the other group...)
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:lol:Im still surrendering, I don't know what the fk I am now nerd geek both or none of the above....this is all too hard im going to visit one of my friends...oh that's right I don't have any which means....Im cool right!
Yes Nao B&G that was it.
Cheers!
Oh and thanks for the lo down.