Wedge
Public area => Off-topic => The Pub => Other software => Topic started by: mikeymx5 on February 18th, 2011, 07:50 PM
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Guys I figured this would be a great place to ask as you may have a suggestion that will work with wedge in the future.
I am very fond of PortaMX but lately I have been having some serious compatibility problems between it and Aeva. To make matters worse with every update you have to uninstall and install a new version of Portamx that has been hell as it deletes its upload folder and screws up its database settings.
I am now at the point that I would rather have a portal that just works even if i loose some of the wonderful functions of PortaMX. If you have to make a choice what Portal would you select for SMF2.0rc4+SP? What portal might provide the closest compatibility to what wedge may offer in the future?
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I don't use any of the current portals but from everything I've heard, SimplePortal is the most stable and reliable. (That's based on what I've heard, TinyPortal is pretty good too but more complex to use, the others I don't have a lot of knowledge about)
As for exactly what features we plan to have... it's still in flux really.
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I used SimplePortal and I found it easy-to-use and stable! ;)
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SSI.php 8-)
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with or without the bugs :D
Personally I say Simple Portal, it is alot better than PortaMX in every aspect.
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Personally I say Simple Portal, it is alot better than PortaMX in every aspect.
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me nah :P
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The one thing that hits me about each of the portals is how much *stuff* there is. I did look at all the portals a bit back, and it struck me how thorough some of the admin panels are for them, but too much *stuff* in one place and a sort of reliance on users figuring it out themselves.
PMX exemplifies that in my mind, both SP and TP have the same issue but at least they're easy enough to follow once you've been around a bit (as it were)
Neither PMX nor ezP focus on design too much, they come across as blocky and built by programmers almost for their own use rather than for others. (Perhaps I'm giving our friend too much credit here, don't know. At least, I *hope* that's the reason for ezP's design mentality.)
ADK Portal seems a bit much of a mish-mash, as though it doesn't really know what it's trying to do.
DP, I did some debugging in the run up to 1.0, and its drag and drop ideas were pretty nice, but it did feel a bit like it was trying to chase SP at times, and not for the right reasons.
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You can't have it both ways, it's either customisable or it's fast. We're choosing customisable.
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And double our maintenance workload, great plan there.
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Well you like posting several hundred posts a day anyway, :p
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I like coding more. And from experience, fragmenting it like that is not a smart move.
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That's an awful lot of questions, none of which we're 100% sure about yet.
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I wished i lived in london or france, id come to one of yalls house and demand to see wedge. Lol
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That's alright then, I don't live in London :P
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Im trying to figure out how to set up the new arantor 2000, the remote programmer. Its some very buggy technology, but at least you get quick sarcastic responses and some wonderful british wit at absolutely no charge. :)
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Wait, there's a new version of me now, I'm the Arantor 1983 ;)
Oh, I'm definitely buggy at times, but when I run without bugs, I run damn fast :D
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Just a note-- we currently (and hopefully never?) don't have any plans to monetize Wedge. It's just free of charge (in exchange of which we'd appreciate not to have to deal with the shit that usually comes with software releases :P).
So, we won't release a free package and a paid-for package. Seriously, the main reason I release a paid-for Aeva Media was because it was becoming a real hassle to deal with the tech support, and many people were insulting (especially in the SMF team, which was the first to benefit from my software's popularity!), and I figured they just didn't deserve the effort. Basically: I made people pay when I stopped caring. Hopefully I won't stop caring about Wedge.
Also, texasman, it'd be cheaper for you to go to Arizona. There's someone over there who has it running ;)
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You can't have it both ways, it's either customisable or it's fast. We're choosing customisable.
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Technically, it's still faster to load than SMF in my book, even with jQuery loaded............. And that's what counts
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Like i say, i have zero doubt that it will be rocking software. Im just persistantly but by all means friendly expressing both my own desire to have a place in wedge in some form or another, as well as making the best suggestions i can to help wedge be the best it can be. And aggrivate the hell out of arantor by following him to his new domain. And i spose nao is in that as well. :)
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@Pete> You need to do something about the string object btw... I think I posted a benchmark around in the private area with suggestions on fixing that :p
@texasman> Thanks ;)
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And aggrivate the hell out of arantor by following him to his new domain. And i spose nao is in that as well.
You need to do something about the string object btw... I think I posted a benchmark around in the private area with suggestions on fixing that
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Errr... Maybe?
Maybe you're talking about the evals? I was thinking about performance issues related to the object overhead.
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Oh, maybe. There was a lot of stuff discussed and no doubt some of it fell out of my brain. :/
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/meapprehensively sticks his head round the door
pssssst, is there a portal in wedge?
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There is a sidebar. It is not particularly customisable.
Nothing says this will be the final state of play by release. IOW, we're not sure and it's not high on our priority list right now...
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no worries,
just wanted to clear that one up :)
cheers
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Same as Pete.
Working on portal features could be fun in the feature. But everything could happen. e.g. we have in our team live627 who works on Envision Portal so maybe we'll end up forking it into Wedge, things like that. (I doubt it, but never say never.)
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thats the spirit :)
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forking a fork lol
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That's the spirit, again :p
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/meapprehensively sticks his head round the door
see attachment
By the way, Nao, but why kill gallery animation gif ? ---->http://media.wedge.org/item/14/ ? ? ?
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I guess it's an Aeva Media bug. I remember having to fix bugs with animated GIFs long ago. Maybe I didn't fix the dimension bug completely. (As you can see, your GIF's height is 34, and 345 in AeMe... Where does the extra 5 come from? Probably from the "55" width. I'll need to look into it.)
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ok
at the same time a problem with Click the picture to view full size.
though, can one affects the other
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I don't know.... Looking at the admin area, the handler is set to ImageMagick, which uses the code path I wrote specifically to easily handle animated GIFs. :-/ (Class-Media.php, line 374.)
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Animated GIF issue fixed... (By updating Aeva Media to v2.10.)
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I am seriously itching to make a portal, I even got a few ideas. Perhaps once wedge is in beta.
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You're free to write one for core ;)
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Now what is this core you talk about?
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He was implying you write one for the Wedge's core. :p
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Yes. Just because the Wedge developer team is just me and Pete, doesn't mean we won't be accepting new developers in the future. I worked with you on SMG and I sure will appreciate your contributions once we have a stable codebase that's ready to be played with ;)
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I was 90% sure you meant that, I was in 10% doubt you were referring to Yourasoft's Core. I don't know, I may eventually end up making a worthwhile portal.
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My main point for wanting to provide a portal out of the box is that it'll help avoid the numerous portal systems in SMF. I'd rather have a unified system in Wedge, and then let people add plugins for specific features that would normally be in a portal package.
And yes I think it's best to put your best into things you do, but sometimes "your best is not good enough". Oh, I'm watching too much South Park these days, I keep quoting episodes. :lol:
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I was 90% sure you meant that, I was in 10% doubt you were referring to Yourasoft's Core. I don't know, I may eventually end up making a worthwhile portal.
IMHO its never worth doing anything you don't put your soul into, especially on open source, as I am sure Nao will agreed on ;)
TBH I don't think Wedge really needs a portal at this stage - its already on a good way to be forum-with-extras so the few things a portal(at least the "normal" view of a portal mod) would provide isn't going to raise it that much.
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It would be nice that wedge have only ONE portal that works and fullfill common needs... I mean, in SMF almost all portals are the same.
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Yeah, but a built-in would leave the horrible and tedious duty of answering "which is the best portal" when they are pretty much the same, maybe some have features that others don't and that kind of stuff, but basically is a easy way to have a main page in your forum...
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But a portal isn't just the main gate, although the name says otherwise?
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What other use do people give to a portal? Not many creative stuff when you have many limitations...
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I dunno, pages at least?
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There is a mod for that, no need of a portal :P
Well, there were a few last time I checked...
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Not for Wedge though ;)
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Wedge will even need mods?
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Yes, but only because it surprisingly won't fit everyone's needs. At least, I think that's why...
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Yup. I don't plan on implementing every single possible feature into it because while that seems like it would be efficient, it really won't.
What I will do, however, is really try and make the core as flexible as possible.
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Hooks! Hooks! :eheh:
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Never understand the hooks :P
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They're like hookers, but without the 'errrr' part, I think.
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I still don't get them (never hire a hooker... :eheh: )
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Don't worry, we will explain all the magic in due course.
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Or just post here ;)
http://wedge.org/pub/feats/misc/6653/improvements-to-hooks/